Hi Guys.Hope you can clear this one up.Say for instance at Manchester (EGCC) DEPARTING RUNWAY 23R. I wish to fly south or that general direction, atc gives me a sid (hon). Same senario departing 23R but wanting to go north or again that general direction, atc does not assign a sid?. You can reverse runway directions and the opposite happens. This is creating a flight plan using default flight planner within fsx.It automaticcaly assigns sid,s and stars. I could go the long way round and using FSC load fsx up go to my departing airport, find out the active runway,go back to fsc and then manually choose the best sid from the list. Is this what you have to do every time?. Or should VOX assign you a sid irrispective of which ever runway is used for departure?.Hope you can help.Pete.

Hi Guys.Hope you can clear this one up.Say for instance at Manchester (EGCC) DEPARTING RUNWAY 23R. I wish to fly south or that general direction, atc gives me a sid (hon). Same senario departing 23R but wanting to go north or again that general direction, atc does not assign a sid?. You can reverse runway directions and the opposite happens. This is creating a flight plan using default flight planner within fsx.It automaticcaly assigns sid,s and stars. I could go the long way round and using FSC load fsx up go to my departing airport, find out the active runway,go back to fsc and then manually choose the best sid from the list. Is this what you have to do every time?. Or should VOX assign you a sid irrispective of which ever runway is used for departure?.Hope you can help.Pete.

Here is what I do:First I create a flightplan from Airport A to Airport B.In this flightplan I make sure that my first waypoint in the 'endpoint' of the SID (SID often named by this waypoint).The SID may start much earlier, but I do not specify the complete SID in my flightplan.Before taxi ATC usually assigns me to a runway, so after this I enter the correct SID into my FMC/FMS so the autopilot will fly the correct procedure.Same goes for STAR actually. Only diffrence is that your flightplan should end at the waypoint for the STAR starting point.Hope this helps.

Pete,From checking my EFB charts, the only SID going north from EGCC 23R is POL5R.So I would recommend tnat you create a flight plan from EGCC immediately to POL and then to your destination as needed. If all goes as expected, VoxATC should give you that SID.Regards,

Pete,From checking my EFB charts, the only SID going north from EGCC 23R is POL5R.So I would recommend tnat you create a flight plan from EGCC immediately to POL and then to your destination as needed. If all goes as expected, VoxATC should give you that SID.Regards,

Hi.Thanx for the info, so basically you are putting the info in your f/p manually instead of vox creating it all for you automaticcaly.

Hi.Thanx for the info, so basically you are putting the info in your f/p manually instead of vox creating it all for you automaticcaly.

Pete,No. I've done it both ways though, while it can work by specifying the SID and/or STAR entirely, my currently-preferred way though is by only specfying the transition fix as I suggested in my last post in this thread. EGCC SID POL DCT EGPF for example.Perhaps this post would better clarify my intention - http://forum.avsim.n...ost__p__1912354Regards,

Same goes for STAR actually. Only diffrence is that your flightplan should end at the waypoint for the STAR starting point.Hope this helps.

only to the STAR start point without mentioning the destination Airport?e.g. DepartureAirport -> FIX -> STARStartPoint -> no Destination AirPort?

only to the STAR start point without mentioning the destination Airport?e.g. DepartureAirport -> FIX -> STARStartPoint -> no Destination AirPort?

Well you need to have a Destination airport, so just have the last waypoint before the destination be the STAR entry or transition point.For example if you are flying to KSFO from the east, have as your final waypoint FMG or MVA. VoxATC should pick an appropriate STAR (e.g., MOD3).

Well you need to have a Destination airport, so just have the last waypoint before the destination be the STAR entry or transition point.For example if you are flying to KSFO from the east, have as your final waypoint FMG or MVA. VoxATC should pick an appropriate STAR (e.g., MOD3).

OK, I got what you were saying and it looks good, however I got a problemI did a flight from WMKK DUMOK A464 BATAR A464 OGAKO A464 TOPOR A464 ARAMA WSSSClearance assigned me with BATARA (BATAR Alpha) SID, which is good. I reached to ARAMA and Singapore Center gave me ILS RW20Cwith BOBA1B STAR using ARAMA Transition. I was all exited configured it in the FMS happy and Joli.Then Singapore Center passed me over to Singapore Approach, I called Singapore approach and you know what the next thing I am seeing? the approach vectors me to final a totally different route thenthe STAR and I get in the VoxATC console in bright red text "Vector to ILS Approach" totaly ignoring I was assigned with a STAR and transition !!!What is going on? what am I doing wrong?

OK, I got what you were saying and it looks good, however I got a problemI did a flight from WMKK DUMOK A464 BATAR A464 OGAKO A464 TOPOR A464 ARAMA WSSSClearance assigned me with BATARA (BATAR Alpha) SID, which is good.

Hmm, you were given BATARA even with DUMOK in your plan? That looks odd but you made it to BATAR which was your intent, so sallying forth....

I reached to ARAMA and Singapore Center gave me ILS RW20Cwith BOBA1B STAR using ARAMA Transition. I was all exited configured it in the FMS happy and Joli.Then Singapore Center passed me over to Singapore Approach, I called Singapore approach and you know what the next thing I am seeing? the approach vectors me to final a totally different route thenthe STAR and I get in the VoxATC console in bright red text "Vector to ILS Approach" totaly ignoring I was assigned with a STAR and transition !!!What is going on? what am I doing wrong?

Nothing "wrong" but then again probably not something "right." :( A few questions:

• Am I correct in understanding that Center gave you BOBA1B and that you started flying it - that is, you passed ARAMA?
• Roughly what was your position when you were told to contact Approach? Were you midway from ARAMA to BOBAG? (about 40nm from WSSS) Had you passed BOBAG? (about 30nm from WSSS ARP) Had you passed BOKIP? (20 nm)
• When you contacted Approach, did you say, "Hello Approach, it's me, I'm here?" Or did you say "Approach it's me, and I want to fly the Full ILS Runway 20 Center approach?" (I'm paraphrasing in both... but I hope my intent is clear.)

It seems that if we don't request our desired approch rwy/procedure when we initally contact Approach (or the controlling Center if no Approach is assigned) then no matter what we're currently doing we will be vectored for an approach (likely an ILS).One of my process checklist items before TOD is to set the destination airport's primary ATIS to my COM2 and start listening to 1 & 2. When I begin to receive the ATIS, I note the active arrival runway(s). (Listen carefully - sometimes one runway is departure-only and one is arrival-only.) Then I use my EFB to find the approach chart and approach transition I want and I tell my approach controller what I want when I say hi. I note the reporting point that I'm given and once my request granted, I enter the approach / transition into my FMC. Some times I fly the full STAR, some times I see where I can carve a minute or two off my time and fly differently. (While avoding traffic of course.)Works like a charm 99.99999% of the time for me.Yes it would be easier if I could request a specific approach after being told to take vectors... but I'll take that as a necessary process that I have to to follow as I've found VoxATC to be much more immersive and featured than the other MSFS ATC solutions that I've tried. (And for what it's worth, PFE is the one that I haven't.)

• Am I correct in understanding that Center gave you BOBA1B and that you started flying it - that is, you passed ARAMA?

Center gave me BOBA1B as I was just approaching ARAMA

• Roughly what was your position when you were told to contact Approach? Were you midway from ARAMA to BOBAG? (about 40nm from WSSS) Had you passed BOBAG? (about 30nm from WSSS ARP) Had you passed BOKIP? (20 nm)

pretty much around ARAMA (about 30 sec' after I was assigned BOBA1B by Center I was passed to Approach.

• When you contacted Approach, did you say, "Hello Approach, it's me, I'm here?" Or did you say "Approach it's me, and I want to fly the Full ILS Runway 20 Center approach?" (I'm paraphrasing in both... but I hope my intent is clear.)

If I remember correct when I approached the Approach the green text which I am supposed to say mentioned the STAR and transition including the RW

One of my process checklist items before TOD is to set the destination airport's primary ATIS to my COM2 and start listening to 1 & 2. When I begin to receive the ATIS, I note the active arrival runway(s). (Listen carefully - sometimes one runway is departure-only and one is arrival-only.) Then I use my EFB to find the approach chart and approach transition I want and I tell my approach controller what I want when I say hi. I note the reporting point that I'm given and once my request granted, I enter the approach / transition into my FMC. Some times I fly the full STAR, some times I see where I can carve a minute or two off my time and fly differently. (While avoding traffic of course.)Works like a charm 99.99999% of the time for me.

how do I ask the controller that, all I can ask him is whatever I have in the Green text or menu, isn't it true?and in the menu I only have few options like "request full ILS approach on RWxx" which then I am in the mercy of the ATC to decide what to give me (usually he justs vectors me to final when I pick that option).

Yes it would be easier if I could request a specific approach after being told to take vectors... but I'll take that as a necessary process that I have to to follow as I've found VoxATC to be much more immersive and featured than the other MSFS ATC solutions that I've tried. (And for what it's worth, PFE is the one that I haven't.)

I tried PFE it is far worse then VoxATC on few notes that broke me from using it (RC I have not tried)1) you must file a SID/STAR in your flight plan (you loose the dynamic of an ATC assigning you one)2) you need to file a dedicated PFE flight plan, unlike VoxATC that reads your FSX flight plan, which I liked since I use vroute.info Premium and I can easily export the flight plan to FSX and just import it before I fly 3 )it doesn't use any AIRAC data4) you loose granularity of voices packs (e.g. IVONA) you could add and improve your ATC, you are stuck with what they got , even though they have many accents, yet I still find it hard to understand and a bit robotic IMO5) and the worse part is that it dosn't control AI traffic , only controls you taking in consideration other traffic and you hear the AI traffic talk to the MFFS ATC in the background (haited it, it's like having two ATCs - one for you and the other for AI)

Hi, sorry it's been a while. I've been busy on a few projects. :(

and in the menu I only have few options like "request full ILS approach on RWxx" which then I am in the mercy of the ATC to decide what to give me (usually he justs vectors me to final when I pick that option).

Hmmm, when I ask for "the Full ILS runway nn approach" I've never been vectored. I can ask for an "ILS approach" which will give me vectors, but asking for "the Full" leaves the flying to me and I'm told to report at the IAF or thereabouts.Pet peeve - since VoxATC uses BGL data for approaches, the IAF and FAF names sometimes aren't the same as they are in the current Airac. Not a big deal, I usually call out "[callsign] mumble" :(

Hi, sorry it's been a while. I've been busy on a few projects. :( Hmmm, when I ask for "the Full ILS runway nn approach" I've never been vectored. I can ask for an "ILS approach" which will give me vectors, but asking for "the Full" leaves the flying to me and I'm told to report at the IAF or thereabouts.Pet peeve - since VoxATC uses BGL data for approaches, the IAF and FAF names sometimes aren't the same as they are in the current Airac. Not a big deal, I usually call out "[callsign] mumble" :(

I tried again to request a full ILS approach and the response I get is "cleared published ILS approach, contact when established on the localize"what is the Published approach? what STAR (it did not give me a STAR, do I need to pick one)?

I tried again to request a full ILS approach and the response I get is "cleared published ILS approach, contact when established on the localize"what is the Published approach? what STAR (it did not give me a STAR, do I need to pick one)?

The "published" approach is the actual approach procedure as published on charts. An ILS approach is usually a straight line - inline with the runway centerline (and the localizer) - but may contain "transitions" that curve in from the side. (From what I've seen, an VoxATC approach is the approach itself sans transition, so no need to concern that.So by telling Approach that you want to fly "The Full ILS" what you're saying is, "I know where I need to go and the altitude restrictions I need to observe because I have this chart in my view. Let me fly." :( Are you referring still to landing at WSSS or at another airport?By the time you're talking with Approach you should either be on a STAR or one might not be suitable from where you're arriving, or there may not be one - not all airports have STARs...

Are you referring still to landing at WSSS or at another airport?

Yes , I am referring to the same route as before WSSS

Yes , I am referring to the same route as before WSSS

Since Approach data is referenced from the \scenery\ airport bgl, are you using a stock WSSS or a custom (and if so, which?)?The reason I ask is If there is no ILS approach data in the active airport scenery, then you will not be offered the choice to fly "the full ILS" even though there is an ILS transmitter present.