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Hey guys,From what I understand, Samdim's AN-24 addon should have more models available than the RV that comes with the current package downloadable from flightsim.com. I havbe read about a B version, and on his site there is a list of 7 models that they "propose". However, where are these models? Have they ever been released?

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Hey guys,From what I understand, Samdim's AN-24 addon should have more models available than the RV that comes with the current package downloadable from flightsim.com. I havbe read about a B version, and on his site there is a list of 7 models that they "propose". However, where are these models? Have they ever been released?
From what I know this is going to be part of the An-24RV package update that has been in construction for a while now. There are models of An-30 and An-32 out there - older models with no VCs from SamDim and other authors. Tim Conrad made a new An-32 - but sadly for FSX only, I was sad to see him abandon FS9 development. There's also a nice An-26 from Vladimir Zhyhulskiy. Been keeping an eye out and SamDim haven't released anything new on the An-24 family so far. I hope they haven't abandoned it like their Tu-134 payware project, I was sorry to see that one go.

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From what I know this is going to be part of the An-24RV package update that has been in construction for a while now. There are models of An-30 and An-32 out there - older models with no VCs from SamDim and other authors. Tim Conrad made a new An-32 - but sadly for FSX only, I was sad to see him abandon FS9 development. There's also a nice An-26 from Vladimir Zhyhulskiy. Been keeping an eye out and SamDim haven't released anything new on the An-24 family so far. I hope they haven't abandoned it like their Tu-134 payware project, I was sorry to see that one go.
Is he still working on that AN-24? I thought it was dead - I actually thought he was only working on the ASA320 now and wasn't working on the projects on his website at all anymore. I sure hope he still plans to release that update.REegarding the Tu-134, we have reason to be happy. The SCS Tu-134 is getting a VC: http://www.avsim.su/forum/topic/98993-tu-134-vk-hod-rabot/page__st__80Plus, I am in regular contact with Kirill Konovalov. His projects seem to be going very well. As a matter of fact, that Il-86 is almost finished, but sadly it's FSX only. Still, I downloaded it and installed in FSX, and it looks very nice. He says they are working on a FSX version of the PT Tu-154B2 and they might do the Tu-134 or AN-24 also.

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Why is there more switches and guages on Russian built aircraft than any other? :(

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Why is there more switches and guages on Russian built aircraft than any other? :(
I like them, it gives more of a feel than modern glass cockpits.It has to be understood that the Tu-134, Tu-154, An-12, An-24, IL-18, etc. types were first designed and created around the 60s. Its not possible to compare them to current a/c types accurately. However they can be compared to B707s, VC-10s, Caravelles, B727s, BAC One-Elevens, HS.748s, etc. - a/c deigned from around that period, which had just as many switches and gauges. It is interesting to see that a number of Russian aircraft types from the 60s are still doing reasonably well and are in service today in a variety of modernised forms. The newest Tu-154 version - M, was still being produced up until 2006.New Russian aircraft types do not have that many switches and gauges, just the usual glass cockpit electronics.

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I like them, it gives more of a feel than modern glass cockpits.It has to be understood that the Tu-134, Tu-154, An-12, An-24, IL-18, etc. types were first designed and created around the 60s. Its not possible to compare them to current a/c types accurately. However they can be compared to B707s, VC-10s, Caravelles, B727s, BAC One-Elevens, HS.748s, etc. - a/c deigned from around that period, which had just as many switches and gauges. It is interesting to see that a number of Russian aircraft types from the 60s are still doing reasonably well and are in service today in a variety of modernised forms. The newest Tu-154 version - M, was still being produced up until 2006.New Russian aircraft types do not have that many switches and gauges, just the usual glass cockpit electronics.
Indeed! The Il-96 and Sukhoi Superjet sport some very modern cockpits.

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From what I understand, Samdim's AN-24 addon should have more models available than the RV that comes with the current package downloadable from flightsim.com. I havbe read about a B version, and on his site there is a list of 7 models that they "propose". However, where are these models? Have they ever been released?
Is he still working on that AN-24? I thought it was dead - I actually thought he was only working on the ASA320 now and wasn't working on the projects on his website at all anymore. I sure hope he still plans to release that update.
Some news from the author...Many of our developments have been abandoned because we didn't find a competent system programmer, panel designer or FDE editor. Bear in mind that we only make visual models, which is not enough - alone - for a decent add-on. Given the close integration between the virtual cockpit and systems, our abandoned models often lack the virtual cockpit.There are several An-24 in development by other groups (Suprunov, SCS, Echer...) and they have programmers. Our An-24 serie is more or less ready for FS9, but they are without VC. We now understand that most likely there will be no more development on these models. That said, we consider a possibility to make these models available to public. Only external models and textures. That's why it's still a question : release or not release a "model-only" package ? Visually, it's much better than our old An-24 model, but at the other hand - there is no virtual cockpit inside (and we can't port the old VC to the new model because the old one was FSDS and the new is GMAX format). People on avsim.su forum showed interest for such a model because many of them are hardcore simmers who never use the VC and only fly with the 2D panel. So we still think the An-24 model-only package will be one day released (we just have no time right now for that)Yak-42 was one of our "abandoned projects", but one day a group of real Yak-42 ground engineers (and simmers) wrote us saying they have a reallistic panel and systems and need a good visual model. You imagine well how glad we were to collaborate with them and ressurect the project. Such a miracles don't happen often...Antonov An-12 (and An-10) was sleeping for years. Now a group of enthusiasts asked me for the sources of the external model in order to port it to FSX and add a virtual cockpit. The work is now in progress, I don't know when (and will?) it become a real add-on.Tupolev Tu-134 (four models) is in lethargy and probably will forever... Here, the problem was that panel developer switched to a payware version (whose screenshots are shown here) and also nobody wanted to paint the virtual cockpit. Amen.We are no longer working on Airsimmer A320 family. This work has been finished for quite a while and we delivered all the 9 models to Airsimmer (from A318 to A321 plus an A320 with double-wheel boggies), even if so far, they are only commercializing two models of A320. Despite numerous critics of Airsimmer, not a single bad word has been said about the visual model. Few issues were corrected in times of Extended Team - they can confirm the issues were corrected quickly. This remains our most complex model for FS9 and probably top-three most complex models for FS9 ever, given the number of workarounds we used to overcome FS9 limits.Right now, we are working on Bombardier Q400 for Majestic Software (check my homepage for screenshots) and the visual model is expected to enter beta in about two months. This is an FSX-only model and it cannot be ported to FS9 without losing a lot of visual effects and details. The quality, precision and level of detail are of course better than in Airsimmer because FSX has greater potential for modeling. Dimitri

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There are several An-24 in development by other groups (Suprunov, SCS, Echer...) and they have programmers. Our An-24 serie is more or less ready for FS9, but they are without VC. We now understand that most likely there will be no more development on these models. That said, we consider a possibility to make these models available to public. Only external models and textures. That's why it's still a question : release or not release a "model-only" package ? Visually, it's much better than our old An-24 model, but at the other hand - there is no virtual cockpit inside (and we can't port the old VC to the new model because the old one was FSDS and the new is GMAX format). People on avsim.su forum showed interest for such a model because many of them are hardcore simmers who never use the VC and only fly with the 2D panel. So we still think the An-24 model-only package will be one day released (we just have no time right now for that)Yak-42 was one of our "abandoned projects", but one day a group of real Yak-42 ground engineers (and simmers) wrote us saying they have a reallistic panel and systems and need a good visual model. You imagine well how glad we were to collaborate with them and ressurect the project. Such a miracles don't happen often..................Tupolev Tu-134 (four models) is in lethargy and probably will forever... Here, the problem was that panel developer switched to a payware version (whose screenshots are shown here) and also nobody wanted to paint the virtual cockpit. Amen................Dimitri
Dimitri, many thanks for the update.The screenshoots for the Tu-134 VC I've shown here were for the freeware SCS model.I am sorry to hear the An-24 range will not be updated anymore, apart from potentially new external models. I was hoping there would be new VCs along with the new models (and also possibly systems and FDE updates as well) - it already has excellent 2D panel and gauges. A lot of us are great fans of this aircraft and very appreciative to all involved in creating her. Its sad to hear the SamDim An-24s are not likely not be developed further. However even as she is right now, although dated, she's still a great add-on!If/When you decide to release the new external models - they are sure to get a great reception from the FS community.A lot of simmers were also hoping the Yak-42 would get a VC at some point. That is another very appreciated aircraft you've created for FS. Sadly from what you've said, it doesn't appear likely.Again many thanks for taking the time to update us on developments at SamDim.

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I mentioned a payware SCS Tu-134 that they announced on avsim.su forum. It has the VC and all the systems all right.As for the Yak-42, our model has already been ported to FSX by some other enthusiasts, and they are working on a virtual cockpit for it, so maybe one day we'll see the complete add-on. Don't stop hoping.I understand your deception about the Antonov 24 family. I'm deceived as well. The only benefit of a model-only update can be the addition of some new models to FS9 like An-24B, An-24T, An-26-100 and An-32. But I don't see any sense to develop a full-depth add-on today given that several companies have it almost finished. Moreover, specialists in old Russian avionics and systems are rare, they are already participating in other payware projects.Dimitri

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Sorry, wasn't aware SCS were thinking about a payware Tu-134. I just assumed it was freeware like previously.I still tend to prefer using FS9. Will keep hoping for those updates and that they may be FS9 versions as well. After all this time the SamDim planes are still among my favorites!

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DimitryI'd like to thank you for all the great freeware you've given us for FS9 and wish you all the best for the future. It's a shame the Airsimmer project didn't work out as I'd have loved to use you A318/319/320/321 visual models.Best regards.

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Dimitri,I am thrilled to see you give some updates personally. Even if not all news is good or what I would have liked to hear, I thank you very much for taking the time to comment. It is a pity that the AN-24's development was abandoned, but as you said, with new AN-24 coming along (I indeed heard about the Suprunov model some time ago, but didn't see anything of it ever since), I don't think we need to fear. And we should not forget Kirill Konovalov! He is doing an IL-86 at the moment, and from what I understood, they hope to do a remake of the PT Tu-154B2. They would also like to do a AN-24, Yak-42 and Tu-134, depending on demand and the amount of time they have. These will all be for FSX, however.As I see it, we have a lot to be happy about it. There are many Russian aircraft on their way, and they all are of good quality. Dimitri, you have done invaluable stuff for the FS community. I really hope to see your Yak-42 in FSX some day. I have also been following the progress on the Majestic Dash-8 Q400 and I saw the screenshots of the model you are doing. It looks incredible! As for the ASA320, indeed, all the complaints are on the system front, not the model. It's praised for its accuracy and refinment, and it is sad that such a beautiful model is bogged down by issues with gauges.Dimitri, I hope to see many of your visual models with VC released at some point or another. I have used your AN-24 with great enthusiasm. By the way, it is possible to get it working in FSX. Kirill said one tiny thing had to be changed in one of the gauges to make it work well, but after doing that, the entire plane should be entirely functional.

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