I need a little help.Since TNCM changed its runways from 9/27 to 10/28 but all the AFCADs that I've downloaded for flytampa TNCM still using 9/27, I gave a try to change it. I downloaded the upgrade texture to change the runway number from 9/27 to 10/28 ,after that I changed the numbers of the runway using AFCAD v221,checked again if the frequencies are correct.So..any other things that I need to do to make it work?

Note that any IFR approaches in FS for the old runway numbers will no longer be available, and if that is the only runway you've turned that airport into a VFR-only airport.You can edit the approaches using ADE, after importing your AFCAD file and then using Tools/Import Stock Data to import the approaches and waypoints.Hope this helps,

Note that any IFR approaches in FS for the old runway numbers will no longer be available, and if that is the only runway you've turned that airport into a VFR-only airport.You can edit the approaches using ADE, after importing your AFCAD file and then using Tools/Import Stock Data to import the approaches and waypoints.Hope this helps,

Thanks a lot I followed your instruction and managed to land without problems :(

As Tom says you need to edit the approach code use ADE...... and FS does do SID's and STAR's it just doesn't do altitude constraints for the SID.I have been using FS ATC IFR approaches for years and like it because I can update the Approach database myself and do not have to reply on a third party to do so.Here is an example of a RNAV Rwy 10 approach using FS ATC I did well over a year ago.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkK1SWuaNsk

As Tom says you need to edit the approach code use ADE...... and FS does do SID's and STAR's it just doesn't do altitude constraints for the SID.I have been using FS ATC IFR approaches for years and like it because I can update the Approach database myself and do not have to reply on a third party to do so.Here is an example of a RNAV Rwy 10 approach using FS ATC I did well over a year ago.

How do you do this? Sry but I'm still at the early stages of this, not quite understand the Fs9 ATC although I have been using it for years.//Very nice video btw :(:(:(

How do you do this? Sry but I'm still at the early stages of this, not quite understand the Fs9 ATC although I have been using it for years.//Very nice video btw

I was afraid you would ask as I am not good at explaining things. :( Although FS9 has been out for donkeys years most simmers to this day have never taken the time study the default GPS unit or FS ATC.If you write a flight plan using the default GPS units you will soon find that there certainly are approaches (STARS).Now you must understand I do everything in FS my way...which usually means the long way around! So here is what I do:First if you can find a real world flight plan for your airline between your departure/destination airports that's a very good start (flightaware is good for this)Then find charts for both airports.Download real weather and find out which runways are in use at both airports. You will then be able to work out which SID and STAR charts you need for your flightplan.Now the problems start... if you write the flightplan into a complex FMS like the PMDG/LVLD you will then need to write this flightplan into the FS Flightplanner so FS ATC know the route also.Now I believe FSBuild may convert any flightplan format into FS flightplanner format so if you had that that is the easiest way.Too easy for me LOL ...I find out the individual waypoints and update my FS database for any new waypoints and then write the flightplan into the FS flightplanner manually. B) So for the SID: I simply write the waypoints of the SID into my FS flightplan. That way when FS ATC first says turn to heading such and such it is actually giving me the correct heading for my SID.FS ATC does not do altitude constraints for SIDs so either just ignore their instructions to climb :( or after the handoff WAIT before contacting the next station.For the STAR: Write the STAR into your FS Flightplan. If the STAR is in the FS database as you approach your destination airport FS ATC will say turn left/right and expect vectors to the runway. It is this next step that 99% of simmers have never learnt. Say NO you would like to select an approach. Then go ahead select your approach and then you should be offered a transition. Select the transition that matches your STAR and bingo! you can now enjoy a lovely hassle free (no crappy vectoring) approach until FS ATC clears you to land.If the Approach or transition does not exist (FS9 database is very old now) you can write it yourself using ADE.The ability to edit the approach code with ADE has added years of life to FS9 for me.In fact that is what I love most about FS9. No other sim gives more ability to make the sim your OWN. IMHO :(

I would also like to add that if you like AI traffic as I do.It is not just enough to change runway numbers in Afcad you need to change them in the approach code as well the FS ATC knows how to look after them properly.So ADE is the way forward. :( ....though I would still prefer it if excludes were a separate file. :(

You are very good at explaining about this I've learnt a lot from your post. So if the SID/STAR that aren't included in FS9 database,use ADE to add it ?Besides editing in ADE which I haven't tried yet,recently I have issues with choosing the runway for take off and landing. I use REX to find out the weather at the destination airport,or even go to the destination airport to hear the ATIS and it said "landing and take off runway XX XX XX XX XX XX". At that time I surely don't know which runway the ATC will use so I just pick a lucky one.How about you?//I do really like to use the default ATC instead of using RC4 or PFE

So if the SID/STAR that aren't included in FS9 database,use ADE to add it ?

Yes but there is a bit of learning to do. Here is a good place to start http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=31

Besides editing in ADE which I haven't tried yet,recently I have issues with choosing the runway for take off and landing. I use REX to find out the weather at the destination airport,or even go to the destination airport to hear the ATIS and it said "landing and take off runway XX XX XX XX XX XX". At that time I surely don't know which runway the ATC will use so I just pick a lucky one.

You could listen to the ATIS.I know which runway will be in use because I control the afcads. For example at London Heathrow (EGLL) I have one runway closed (both ends) for landing usually 09R/27L (sometimes I swap them around if I get bored of Landing 09L/27R)So of the two runways... pending on the wind direction I will know which runway is in use. IRL some airports have certain runways in use at different times of the day so I may have to swap afcads depending on my departure time. Sometimes FS ATC will give you a choice...choose the one that suits you.

//I do really like to use the default ATC instead of using RC4 or PFE

Each to their own. I tried RC4 but went back to def ATCI like FS ATC because it is smooth. I do not know how they did it but it is not robotic.I also like my AI and as far as I know it is the only program that controls them properly.FS ATC could have been improved and I hoped it would be for FSX .... different accents in different airspace, meter crz alts as well as feet, altitude constraints for SID's etc etcIt could have been amazing but no. :(

Yes but there is a bit of learning to do. Here is a good place to start http://www.fsdevelop...isplay.php?f=31You could listen to the ATIS.I know which runway will be in use because I control the afcads. For example at London Heathrow (EGLL) I have one runway closed (both ends) for landing usually 09R/27L (sometimes I swap them around if I get bored of Landing 09L/27R)So of the two runways... pending on the wind direction I will know which runway is in use. IRL some airports have certain runways in use at different times of the day so I may have to swap afcads depending on my departure time. Sometimes FS ATC will give you a choice...choose the one that suits you.Each to their own. I tried RC4 but went back to def ATCI like FS ATC because it is smooth. I do not know how they did it but it is not robotic.I also like my AI and as far as I know it is the only program that controls them properly.FS ATC could have been improved and I hoped it would be for FSX .... different accents in different airspace, meter crz alts as well as feet, altitude constraints for SID's etc etcIt could have been amazing but no. :(

I'll try right now :biggrin:Sometimes I wonder when there will be a perfect ATC for Fs2004,just wonder without any dreaming :( :rolleyes:Thanks a lot for your help :(

Besides editing in ADE which I haven't tried yet,recently I have issues with choosing the runway for take off and landing. I use REX to find out the weather at the destination airport,or even go to the destination airport to hear the ATIS and it said "landing and take off runway XX XX XX XX XX XX". At that time I surely don't know which runway the ATC will use so I just pick a lucky one.How about you?

Hi.If runways don't have custom restrictions (land only, take-off only, GA only or whatever) I think FS9 chooses active runways by applying a series of criteria with decreasing significance...First, it looks for ILS. If the airport has only one ILS, that runway will pretty well always be in use to the exclusion of the others. If the airport has two or more, they will be top of the list.Second, it looks at wind direction to choose between various (otherwise equal) possibilities, with the intention of forcing runway use to have a headwind component.Third... well I'm sure I saw a complete list somewhere ages ago. With a bit of luck, someone with a better memory will finish the list for you.Still, if there's no AI around to clash with your plan, you can choose whichever you want. I usually go for wind direction & runway length, followed by taxi distance.Do try ADE9X. It's very easy to use. Sometimes it fails to compile an airport you're modifying if that airport has a previously-made error in it (usually frome some other airport-editing application). I've been finding the errors by trial and error but more recently have just taken the easy option and gone back to Afcad221 when I find one of those rogues...Regards,D