Hi,Is the above statement true?, in my eyes it is.I cannot get broadband, and with the increasing size of downloads and the paranoia of piracy payware developers are driving away people who still use dial-up.Are dial-up users in such a minority that payware developers are not worried about dial-up users not being able to resume?.Again its a case of these piracy measures actually causing more problems to the legitimate buyer than the pirate.I really hope that this trend does no continue, or at least a soloution for dail-up users can be implemented.CheersDan.

I'm also on dialup. I live in a small village with ~100 people, in the middle of nowhere so there isn't much hope of getting broadband here. Will be getting a nice 10Mb line when I start @ university, though :-lolIt's normal that download size increases. With each new version of flightsim, and with each new generation of computer hardware, developers are able to make more and more complex addons. More complex addons = bigger files. There's not much developers can do about that except go back to FS98-style addons. It's easy enough to download 80MB file over dialup, just leave it connected over the night, and use a download program that you can set to automatically disconnect or shut down the PC when the download is finished. For those bigger 100+ MB addons, there's usually the possibility to order it on CD for a small additional fee.The big problem is of course awkward download systems. Dialup is not the most reliable form of Internet connection available. Sometimes, resume is not allowed, so if your download cancels at 39 of 40MB, you have to talk to the company and ask them for a new download link, then re-download the entire file. That's something they should definitely fix. I think I read that almost 40% of those connected to the Internet use dialup. Don't know if that's in the US only or worldwide, though.

>Hi,>>Is the above statement true?, in my eyes it is.>No, patience and a fat checkbook will also do :)>I cannot get broadband, and with the increasing size of>downloads and the paranoia of piracy payware developers are>driving away people who still use dial-up.>look at it from the other end: users demand ever more from their products, making it necessary to put in ever more things that all take up space.A scenery package without custom mesh and ground textures (photoreal, seasonal), animated buildings, custom AI, etc. etc. is considered unacceptable by many users these days.Same for an aircraft without several photoreal repaints, virtual cockpit, load manager, complete animation of everything, every nut and bolt modelled in 3D.All that takes up space, which makes the product larger.>Again its a case of these piracy measures actually causing>more problems to the legitimate buyer than the pirate.>and again someone sees a conspiracy against themselves...You MAY be left behind soon when subscription-based software gets common that requires an active internet connection while the software is being used because most of it is hosted remotely and the only thing running on your machine is the code to display the results of the calculations and pass commands back to the server.>I really hope that this trend does no continue, or at least a>soloution for dail-up users can be implemented.>the solution is to wait for the CD release and get that.Ever more download stores have an option to ship on CD these days. It might cost a few dollars/euros, but that's likely less than the money you'd spend on downloading that file.I've now had broadband for a year, but regularly downloaded 50MB+ packages over dialup before that.It CAN be done, if you want to and have a good provider that gives you a stable connection. Just takes longer (much longer, I know).

WOW, you have totally missed my point.I understand the reason for packages getting bigger, I would have no problem leaving my system on for days to download a file, but with a 2 hour cutoff, unless the download is resumable I have not chance of getting a large file."and again someone sees a conspiracy against themselves", I will let that contrived remark pass, it isnt even worth repling to.If I could get broadband, I would snap it up in an instant, but it is not possible, I have campaigned vigorously for broadband in my area, I have done all I can, I have contacted MP's, BT directly, but they are not interested, I would give someone 10's of thousands of

I think you've really missed the point that Danowat was trying to make here. The main problem he's having at the moment is that the company in question doesn't allow the use of download managers. (For what reasons I can't imagine)When they'd allow this,a modem dial-up is'nt a problem any more,cos you can resume the D/L any number of times. Funny thing,all these companies are VERY slick during the payment procedures,your credit card is debited in the wink of an eye,but getting what you've paid for seems to be a problem sometimes.....?BestGrahame EDHL

Danowat I used dialup for several years, then 18 months ago got broadband . I was lucky - I live on the extreme edge of the (at that time) BB enabled area - literally 50 yds from the boundary. However the point I want to make-originally when first on the internet I tried various pay by the minute ISPs,Freeserve,BT etc but about 3 and a half years ago went to AOL on a monthly flat rate .Even when still on dial up I downloaded large (90mb+) files- never got cut off by AOL(Had a couple of system dropouts but using DAP as a manager was always able to resume).Nowadays with BB downloading a large file is no problem - very few are going to take more than minutes rather than hours but I stay with AOL because - in the end - I know their not going to bump me off no matter how long I'm on.This has become even more important to me over the past year as I have got involved in online flying.I think the BT habit of bumping people off after 2 hours is probably counterproductive as eventually those who want prolonged connection will inevitably take their custom elsewhere- particularly given the trend towards larger and larger d/l files.Those(dialup or broadband) who are suffering from being disconnected after a set time by their ISPs should look around and find an ISP who doesn't do this.Dave(download junkie)

Hi Dave,Maybe I need to move, just another excuse for me to get out of Norfolk ;).Seriously though, if you know of a "decent" ISP that offers what I am after then I will change.My ISP has been very good, they offer totally umlimited connection, but with a 2 hour cutoff, I am now, at this minuete, upgrading to a 4 hour cutoff, hopefully that will solve some of my problems.CheersDan.

Hey Dan,I feel ya pain, I live in central london, and in the borugh kensington and Chelsea, which is one of the most richest areas of london, (No im not rich) but my point is I only barley got ADSL because the Exchange Im on was not going to be upgraded. which is crazy consider that most people here would of bought it twice, :) However I doubt that it would of been a massive problem, as I would of moved to a different exchange. Bt are money grabbing and thats it, if it wont benefit them in any way, they wont do a thing about it. Considering that they are the worlds best Telecommunications company without doubt is a little crazy IMHO.take a look here:http://www.adslguide.orgJason

Hi Dan,I still use dial-up and I don't think I will ever change. Right now I have been connected for over 28 hrs and just finished downloading a software upgrade that was over 150 MBs. All this for only $8.25 per month. Check around with other isp's and find something better.Ed

If DSL or Cable is not available in your area, there is always satellite. You can be anywhere on the planet, and you are almost gauranteed to have a broadband satellite internet provider floating 23 miles over your head.Luhiss

Dan,i use dial-up as well, im with BT who seem to have dropped the two hour cut-off but have instigated a 150hr monthly limit which is not enough! and this is

James - believe me - I feel for you but you are in fact lucky - try living with a download speed of 2.4 Kb/sec and yes I do have a 1.6M satelite dish to receive my "free to air" TV but cannot see the point in getting a 2nd one to get 56Kb internet from a different satelite at a cost of $80/mth plus the cost of the new dish and decoderAnd you thought that you lived in the "boondocks" only 3 hrs drive from the capital city

Nasty! i thought that you couldnt get worse than my conn, were is it that you stay?James

You can try Sattelite it is a bit expensive but its broadband, 500KBPS download speeds for $49.99-59.00. Ive never tried it though (I have Cable) http://www.direcway.com/Andrew

Wow, a 2-hour limit :-lol Why do they punish the poor dialup users...as if it isn't enough that you're getting 1/15th speed of even slow broadband...Here, we have no such limitations, but it's so expensive it's ridiculous. I'm doing about 5.2k/sec with my modem. My bro' who lives in town pays about the equivilant of $32/month for 512K ADSL. I, who live outside town pay about $0.75/hour for my 56k connection. That ends up being about $110/month right now. I'm thinking about switching to another ISP which allows 5 hours/day for $94/month. Why should I pay three times as much for one tenth the download speed? :(