Sure, it's not finding the charts... that's easy. I have more than enough websites that I reference.

Googling nor access to charts is what I am getting at. airnav, skyvector, fltplan, are all great for pulling charts.

 

..it's the opening of 8 charts to realize that the 7th chart is actually the one I need based on noted transition points.

For example, departing LOWI tonight, completely unfamiliar with the location. Sure, googling is fine and I get plenty of charts (of which a small percentage matches my current navdata... but I can live with that) Match up the general direction and the actual names of the intersections and crossing waypoints are not very critical. Of course right up until ATC (vatsim) has me cross some profile STAR and I don't have the current data).

 

For now, I will keep using navigraph and aivlasoft to at least more quickly pick through the charts.

What I did tonight is what you said Craig. I sat on the map page, selected SID, build. Not gonna work. Select next SID, build. Not gonna work... until I had one that got me heading in the general direction.

 

Thanks for the help guys. Enjoying the big tin after years of solid GA / bush flying.

Sure, it's not finding the charts... that's easy. I have more than enough websites that I reference.

Googling nor access to charts is what I am getting at. airnav, skyvector, fltplan, are all great for pulling charts.

 

..it's the opening of 8 charts to realize that the 7th chart is actually the one I need based on noted transition points.

For example, departing LOWI tonight, completely unfamiliar with the location. Sure, googling is fine and I get plenty of charts (of which a small percentage matches my current navdata... but I can live with that) Match up the general direction and the actual names of the intersections and crossing waypoints are not very critical. Of course right up until ATC (vatsim) has me cross some profile STAR and I don't have the current data).

 

For now, I will keep using navigraph and aivlasoft to at least more quickly pick through the charts.

What I did tonight is what you said Craig. I sat on the map page, selected SID, build. Not gonna work. Select next SID, build. Not gonna work... until I had one that got me heading in the general direction.

 

Thanks for the help guys. Enjoying the big tin after years of solid GA / bush flying.

 

Ok, gotchya.

 

Unfortunately, what you are doing is what I am doing as well, so I don't have an easier answer. Although, i don't have to EFB from aivlasoft, which I think makes it even easier to find the correct SID/STAR. There is just no way of knowing right off the back as to which STAR you need, unless you're trying to copy an exact flight from flightaware, in which it names the one the flight used, or you have them memorized for that particular airport (as I do with KDFW), or if the procedures have the same name as the first waypoint/transition in the route.

 

Now, real life dispatchers, from what I have seen based on following a SWA dispatcher during his shift, have pre-planned company routes, which include predicted SID/STARS based on runways in use/winds, and direction you are departing or arriving. It's pretty freakin cool. They have a list of routes for the same city pairs such as KDAL-KLAS, and he just had to click on the appropriate one for that aircraft.

 

Even pilots don't know what SID/STAR they'll be using until cleared by ATC when asking for IFR route clearance. The ones given by the dispatcher could change.

 

Anyway, there's just no easy way to know what SID/STAR to use right off the back when creating a new route from scratch, especially at unfamiliar airports. Just takes some good ol' browsing, finger-clicking and reading pdf files.

Roger that William. The safest bet I have been doing for flight in the US is grabbing all of the charts for both STAR and approach and dropping them on my tablet. Just before TOD, I pick one, plug it in and go with it. That way even if I end up getting something different than expected, I can flip to that chart, brief it and plug it in.

 

So, in the RW, are the pilots using an EFB to review the STAR or are they carrying paper at all? Do they just review it in the FMC? A separate device? It would seem during these critical phases of flight that they would need to brief it to some degree so they properly anticipate what they expect from the plane navigation.

 

Benjamin

Roger that William. The safest bet I have been doing for flight in the US is grabbing all of the charts for both STAR and approach and dropping them on my tablet. Just before TOD, I pick one, plug it in and go with it. That way even if I end up getting something different than expected, I can flip to that chart, brief it and plug it in.

 

So, in the RW, are the pilots using an EFB to review the STAR or are they carrying paper at all? Do they just review it in the FMC? A separate device? It would seem during these critical phases of flight that they would need to brief it to some degree so they properly anticipate what they expect from the plane navigation.

 

Benjamin

 

The use of an EFB or tablet device depends on the airline and what equipment they have purchased. But based on videos I've seen, they plug in the arrival when ATC assigns it to them, well before TOD. On the vid I saw, they briefed the STAR and arrival down to the expected gate, and they were about 100 miles before TOD. While doing this, they used the fmc, and the nav display in PLAN mode, and their paper charts/efb to go waypoint by waypoint to make sure they have the proper restrictions and such programmed.

 

Personally, I just program everything before the flight, then just fly it

That;s why I picked EGGP-EIDW as a starting route,as the winds are (usualy) in the same direction,and if you are taking off from RWY 27 on EGGP,it's a 90% chance you will be landing at RWY28 in EIDW.

 

Since I started using STARS, love landing at RWY 10 EIDW (before I used to hate it).

 

There doesn't seem to be any logic to the way the charts are labeled,I just go back and forth until I get to the one that seems right.

That;s why I picked EGGP-EIDW as a starting route,as the winds are (usualy) in the same direction,and if you are taking off from RWY 27 on EGGP,it's a 90% chance you will be landing at RWY28 in EIDW.

 

Since I started using STARS, love landing at RWY 10 EIDW (before I used to hate it).

 

There doesn't seem to be any logic to the way the charts are labeled,I just go back and forth until I get to the one that seems right.

 

Are the arrivals for that airport interesting? If so ill have to check it out

So far the most interesting arrival for me has been the visual approach into RWY 08 at LOWI.. thanks tutorial #2. That was trial by fire.

Hello William,

Not visually,but you have to loose 3000ft in a few minutes to capture the glidescope.

 

http://www.iaa.ie/safe_reg/iaip/Published%20Files/AIP%20Files/AD/Chart%20Files/EIDW/EI_AD_2_EIDW_24-17_en.pdf

 

Try the LIPGO 3N =>NASRI = RWY10 approach.