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Yet another SSD question

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And improvement is only around 20%. And you are than only 10% slower from the load time you get with all the data already cached in the RAM.

 

I prefere to fly over high resolution photoscenery and I'm using extra high Lod_radius settings, so in my case it's impossible to think about caching all data in ram as I have constant stream of new ground textures and dem read according to aircraft movement. Any noticeable improvement is nicely welcome and 20% is noticeable for me. Our expectations of FSX performance may vary from type of scenery we are using.

But you are right that somewhere is the wall, which we can't jump over. It is ability of CPU to process incoming data, and that is reason why SSD aren't magic cure for performance problems.

I prefere to fly over high resolution photoscenery and I'm using extra high Lod_radius settings, so in my case it's impossible to think about caching all data in ram as I have constant stream of new ground textures and dem readed according to aircraft movement. Any noticeable improvement is nicely welcome. 20% is noticeable for me. Our expectations of FSX performance may vary from type of scenery we are using.

But you are right that somewhere is the wall, which we can't jump over. It is ability of CPU to process incoming data, and that is reason why SSD aren't magic cure for performance problems.

We enjoy the same thing then. =) You are right that we can't cache all the data in the RAM. It was just to show how little of an improvement we can possible get even with the help of super fast storage with FSX load time.

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I prefere to fly over high resolution photoscenery and I'm using extra high Lod_radius settings, so in my case it's impossible to think about caching all data in ram as I have constant stream of new ground textures and dem read according to aircraft movement. Any noticeable improvement is nicely welcome and 20% is noticeable for me. Our expectations of FSX performance may vary from type of scenery we are using.

But you are right that somewhere is the wall, which we can't jump over. It is ability of CPU to process incoming data, and that is reason why SSD aren't magic cure for performance problems.

 

This is what I prefer also, photoscenery and high LOD radius. The parts are slowly starting to come in for my new set up. Hopefully by this coming weekend I will be able to put the rig together and give it a shot. Never tried a "data transfer" from one full hard drive to another. Hopefully using the Crucial data transfer kit is fairly simple.

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I am very happy to report I have put together my dream rig, and although I need to do a little more tweaking, both with my overclock settings and my FSX configuration, the new build went very well.

 

My new setup:

 

Intel Core i7-2700K Sandy Bridge 3.5GHz overclocked to 5.0 GHZ

Corsair H100 liquid CPU cooler

Asus P8 Z77 V-Pro Motherboard

Corsair Obsidian 650D Computer tower

2 SSD Crucial M4 512 GB drives (giving me enough room for all of my photoscenery)

Asus GTX 680 Direct Cut II at 1201 MHZ

16 GB G Skill Ripjaws DDR3 2133 MHZ

Asus 24X DVD

Corsair 750 HTX power supply

 

For those considering going to SSD drives, I would highly recommend them if you have long loading times in FSX (especially those with a lot of photoscenery). The transfer of my nearly 1 TB of FSX and Photoscenery went flawless onto the 2 SSD drives with Crucial's copy software kit. I went from nearly 12-15 minutes of load time for a flight to start due to the photoscenery to about 60 to 90 seconds. To say I am a happy camper is an understatement. :rolleyes:

 

Brian S.

Happy to hear that everything worked out fine for you Brian.

What CPU, HDDs did you have previously?

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My previous setup was an i7 920 overclocked to 4.0, gtx580, and a 500 gb and 1 TB 7200 rpm drives.

I went from nearly 12-15 minutes of load time for a flight to start due to the photoscenery to about 60 to 90 seconds. To say I am a happy camper is an understatement. :rolleyes:

 

Brian S.

 

Just to keep some facts straight, while I'm sure the SSD helped, I'd bet money your new OC'ed processor helped more so. I added an SSD drive to my system a few weeks ago and my loading times only improved by about 10%.

I am very happy to report I have put together my dream rig, and although I need to do a little more tweaking, both with my overclock settings and my FSX configuration, the new build went very well.

 

My new setup:

 

Intel Core i7-2700K Sandy Bridge 3.5GHz overclocked to 5.0 GHZ

Corsair H100 liquid CPU cooler

Asus P8 Z77 V-Pro Motherboard

Corsair Obsidian 650D Computer tower

2 SSD Crucial M4 512 GB drives (giving me enough room for all of my photoscenery)

Asus GTX 680 Direct Cut II at 1201 MHZ

16 GB G Skill Ripjaws DDR3 2133 MHZ

Asus 24X DVD

Corsair 750 HTX power supply

 

For those considering going to SSD drives, I would highly recommend them if you have long loading times in FSX (especially those with a lot of photoscenery). The transfer of my nearly 1 TB of FSX and Photoscenery went flawless onto the 2 SSD drives with Crucial's copy software kit. I went from nearly 12-15 minutes of load time for a flight to start due to the photoscenery to about 60 to 90 seconds. To say I am a happy camper is an understatement. :rolleyes:

 

Brian S.

 

Sounds like all you need now is about 20 pounds of heavy chain to hold that baby down, otherwise it is going to fly away on one of those flights.

 

What monitor and resolution are you using with the new system?

 

Ray

When Pigs Fly . Ray Marshall .

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Sounds like all you need now is about 20 pounds of heavy chain to hold that baby down, otherwise it is going to fly away on one of those flights.

 

What monitor and resolution are you using with the new system?

 

Ray

 

I use a Samsung S27A550H 27 inch lcd monitor at 1900x1200

 

Brian

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Just to keep some facts straight, while I'm sure the SSD helped, I'd bet money your new OC'ed processor helped more so. I added an SSD drive to my system a few weeks ago and my loading times only improved by about 10%.

 

I'll take you up on that bet as far as getting the "facts straight". I use a lot of photoscenery. I have all of California, Arizona, Utah, Washington, half of Oregon, parts of Nevada, Colorado, Montana, Hawaii, and other areas around the U.S. in photoscenery. Over the years, the photoscenery increase had led to a huge delay in loading times when I go from the free flight screen until the aircraft is on the tarmac. It usually takes about 12-15 minutes for the initial flight loading times. Too much time and very frustrating. When I built the new system, I had to order my 512 GB Crucial SSD drives from two different vendors due to lack of inventory. When the first drive came in I built my system, and copied my C drive over with FSX, all of my aircraft, including as substantial amount of AI planes, and my C drive contained one photoscenery area only, SO CAL megascenery. All of my other photoscenery was on my D drive. SInce my other SSD drive was delayed in delivery, naturally I fired up FSX and temporairly used my old 7200 rpm D drive with all of the photoscenery. While load times were noticably improved, it still took several minutes due to the old D drive scenery load time. Granted, it was faster than before, but still not acceptable. When my second SSD drive finally arrived, I copied over my old D drive with the majority of my photoscenery to the SSD. Now everything was on SSD and what a difference maker. Less than 90 seconds for my flights to load. Sure, the faster processor, better pipelines with improved SATA etc are a factor, but the overriding factor is the brutal speed of the SSD's. I am a happy camper.

You are so right. Egg Zackly. I sense some are reluctant to accept or 'believe' the kind of difference you are seeing. I have 2 128G Crucial M4's one for FSX and the other for Win 7. I see the same sort of tremendous reduction in load times as others..mine are also system-wide since Win 7 is also on an SSD. The only downside with SSD's currently is $$ per gigabyte. I submit once you bite the bullet and add an SSD it is like reluctantly accepting your 1956 VW Beetle (HDD) maybe is no longer the fastest car on the block. Math is math..30ms seek time on the fastest HDD'd vs .1 ms on garden variety SSD's, which are getting more affordable all the time. On my box (cold boot) from the "Starting Windows" logo (after POST) to the dektop "music" is 10 seconds flat! Who can deny that advantage once an SSD is on thier own PC? Huh? ALL software installs and archive files decompress faster etc etc etc..you just can't beat them. My $.02 worth after owning 5 or 6 SSD's the past years. FYI MTBF is typically over 1 million hours..HDD's can't touch that spec..no matter what brand or speed. Plus in the case of laptops much improved battery life and much less weight. OK off soapbox..TYYVM!!... LOL :)

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I'll take you up on that bet as far as getting the "facts straight". I use a lot of photoscenery. I have all of California, Arizona, Utah, Washington, half of Oregon, parts of Nevada, Colorado, Montana, Hawaii, and other areas around the U.S. in photoscenery. Over the years, the photoscenery increase had led to a huge delay in loading times when I go from the free flight screen until the aircraft is on the tarmac. It usually takes about 12-15 minutes for the initial flight loading times. Too much time and very frustrating. When I built the new system, I had to order my 512 GB Crucial SSD drives from two different vendors due to lack of inventory. When the first drive came in I built my system, and copied my C drive over with FSX, all of my aircraft, including as substantial amount of AI planes, and my C drive contained one photoscenery area only, SO CAL megascenery. All of my other photoscenery was on my D drive. SInce my other SSD drive was delayed in delivery, naturally I fired up FSX and temporairly used my old 7200 rpm D drive with all of the photoscenery. While load times were noticably improved, it still took several minutes due to the old D drive scenery load time. Granted, it was faster than before, but still not acceptable. When my second SSD drive finally arrived, I copied over my old D drive with the majority of my photoscenery to the SSD. Now everything was on SSD and what a difference maker. Less than 90 seconds for my flights to load. Sure, the faster processor, better pipelines with improved SATA etc are a factor, but the overriding factor is the brutal speed of the SSD's. I am a happy camper.

You would have got a substantial improvement in load times compared to your old 7200rpm disk with a smaller SSD for OS+Main FSX install and with the photoscenery on a Velociraptor. That is particularly true when using photoscenery at high LOD. But there is no denial that the setup you have now with only SSDs is even faster. It's a nice build you have there.

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