I know there is a FSE forum but I prefer here for the time being.

 

Picking an airport to leave from is easy.

 

Finding a plane is ridiculously hard, unintuative and limited. First choice I want is my PBY-6, its rare and hard to find at a location you want so I've given up on that plane. Which saddens me.

 

Second choice, I pick a Beaver and get

WARNING: This aircraft is prohibited from commercial operations until repairs have been made.

Please fly to the nearest Repair Station and have your aircraft serviced.

Renters are not authorized to make repairs.

 

Been searching for 30min now and can't figure out how you find Repair Stations. Finally find the FBO Map that shows Services avail.

 

Now how do you use the Repair service? I'd be happy to get repair if I know to activate the repair once there. Can't find that now.

 

So on to the next and last Beaver avail at my airport of choice. It's labeled 'Tacho' and it for some reason has no rent buttons. Have no clue how to select this plane?

 

I appreciate what FSE is trying to do but the user interface and lack of helpful links when you run into issues like this is sorely lacking.

Really?!

 

So, on the FSE client that you have to open up to fly in FSE, on the homepage it always opens to, on the right, in the box called shortcuts, there's a link to the "Manual." That seems like a helpful link. It's an html manual with a search function. You can search for "repair" for instance and learn that you can't repair aircraft you've rented. But wait, it said that in the warning message you quoted above. That seems like helpful information they gave you right when you needed it.

 

On the airport page, where you search for airports, a few lines down there are these little boxes you can check to search for airports with, for instance, repair shops, within any distance you specify from wherever you specify. That seems like a helpful user interface.

 

I used to fly the PBY all the time to resupply my FBO's when I had a network in Oregon. How many airports near you in RL have PBYs?

 

I can see why you prefer here over the FSE forums....

Look, as a first time FSE user, yes I find it very lacking in explaining things properly.

 

I already figured out everything you just told me, so if you want to be helpful instead of insulting, tell me how exactly a repair is done, how I can rent a Tacho plane or how I can find the plane I want to use at the airport I wish to fly from.

 

I've searched the so called Manual with 'repair' and 'tacho' and I can not find any info on what I question. Info is definitely lacking or hidden.

Let me see if I can help.

 

Tacho means your rental price is based on engine wear, fuel consumption etc. so if you run the engine harder your rental price will be more and vice versa. This is just for props. So say your flying a piston, if you run at a lower mixture and prop setting and engine setting (basically fly the plane with fuel consumption in mind) your rental price will be cheaper then pushing the aircraft the whole way.

 

You have to repair a plane at a FBO with a repair facility. If the plane is privately owned you might not be able to make repairs. Where is the plane now is there repair facilities there?

 

Push on with fse it can be very rewarding.

 

And there's lots of people in the fse forum who living helping new pilots.

 

If you have anymore questions just ask. Hope I explained it well

 

Cheers

Lee

 

Just saw the rest of your question

 

A plane with a tacho rental price is rented the same as any other plane.

 

To make a repair to a plane you don't own( going off memory here) rent it and then from the my flights page click on the registration. There should be a thing asking you if you want to repair it.

 

 

If you have anymore questions just ask. Hope I explained it well

 

Cheers

Lee

 

Just saw the rest of your question

 

A plane with a tacho rental price is rented the same as any other plane.

 

To make a repair to a plane you don't own( going off memory here) rent it and then from the my flights page click on the registration. There should be a thing asking you if you want to repair it.

 

Thank you. I'll just reply with some pics as perhaps some pictures are needed to be explained better.

 

Here is the DHC2 that is a Tacho type rental but I am unable to, why?

 

Here is the My Flight I've chosen. Edit: The NAS002 is the plane that gives me the red 'must be repaired first' msg.

 

Here below I clicked on the registration number of plane. I see no repair ability.

Hi

 

You can't rent that plane because it's privately owned and the owner isn't renting it out. That's what the asterisk next to the reg means.

 

You can't repair that plane because there is no repair facility at that FBO. Is there? On the super say next to te FBO name it would say repair 15% or something.

 

Cheers

Lee

Hi

 

You can't rent that plane because it's privately owned and the owner isn't renting it out. That's what the asterisk next to the reg means.

 

You can't repair that plane because there is no repair facility at that FBO. Is there? On the super say next to te FBO name it would say repair 15% or something.

 

Cheers

Lee

 

Why would FSE even list the plane if its not for rent? That seems strange to me.

 

According to the Airport search repair tick box and FBO map search, PWR is a repair airport. Not sure where it would definitively say otherwise?

Maybe I can help here a bit VeryBumpy. I've been into FS Economy for about a year, year and a half, and at first I felt that FS Economy was really obtuse and hard to understand. Now I think I have a pretty good understanding of it. It can be complex, but that's what I think is great about it. Once you get over the initial learning curve, you can get more and more into the complexities and can always be learning something new and hopefully have a good time doing it.

 

So the reason FSE lists planes that are not for rent is because users can actually purchase planes for their own use in FSE once they have earned enough money to do so. This makes it so that user always has the plane they want available at the airport where they last parked it. Also because they own the aircraft, they can make money by putting out available for rent to other FSE pilots like yourself. Imagine it as you are a pilot working at FBO at a real life airport. When you get your job order, you can't just go out to the parking area and grab any plane you see. You have to choose from what is available to rent from either your company or from another private party.

 

FSE has many public aircraft available as well as private ones. The public ones are usually more flexible and cheaper to rent. The ones that are privately owned have an asterisk. The Dehavilland Beaver that you are trying to rent is in need of repairs. As it states though, a renter cannot make repairs to a private aircraft, that's up to the owner to do.

 

Below the list of available aircraft at an airport there is some very useful information that describes what the different symbols mean. FS means for sale, rent dry means that you pay for the fuel used when you land at your destination, rent wet means you pay for the fuel per hour, a bonus for flying the aircraft closer to it home base, etc...

 

What I think is a great way to start is to go to the FSE Manual (link is on the right on the home screen). Look for the "Your 1st flight" link under the "Getting Started" heading. Follow the instructions. Then go ahead and do the "Your 2nd flight" tutorial. Then I think it be easier to go off on your own and have some fun in FS Economy.

So the reason FSE lists planes that are not for rent is because users can actually purchase planes for their own use in FSE

 

As it states though, a renter cannot make repairs to a private aircraft, that's up to the owner to do.

 

 

Ah, thank you. Now I understand a bit better.

 

I miss took red msg as, FSE would not let me pay for the repair but still allow me to do so for the owner so I can use their plane and play the game.

 

Anyway, far as I can tell I can't do that flight then since there is no plane at that airport I own(have) beside the Beaver. This fact, plus fact that I can't use the initial plane I want(PBY6), I find badly limiting.

 

I'm barely getting started and running into all these limiting/annoying issues. Not a good first impression on this 'addon'. It is free so I really can't complain other than the time I've lost trying to figure this stuff out.

 

I'm done with FSE for now, just not enjoyable when I keep running into issues.

You're not running into "issues" that are a problem with FSE, just perhaps with respect to your expectations. FSE is not an "addon" for FSX. It's a virtual economy that uses FSX (and other sims) to operate and that tries to model real world operations. Does it do so fully? No. Many compromises are made, but the goal is to get as close as possible. In the real world flight economy, it is simply not the case that every airport has every plane. In the real world, you don't just hop into a plane or repair a plane. You have to learn the procedures for those operations. You have to learn them in FSE as well.

 

If you just want to fly from one airport you like in the one or two airplanes you like, then you can do that any time you want. It's called "Free Flight." If you want to participate in a virtual economy which models the world, in that each airport has a limited selection of planes, mostly reflecting the sort of planes you would likely find and that would be used in charter operations (and let's face it, the PBY is not such a plane, although the Beaver is in the right parts of the world), then your expectations have to be adjusted accordingly.

 

You don't have to like it, and you certainly don't have to fly in it, but to suggest it has issues because you're not able to immediately understand it's structure and operations and because you can't fly any plane you want from any airport you want seems a bit silly to me. That wouldn't be a simulation of anything.

Agreed

I've been using FSE as my " purpose " in flight simming for over 5 years and I do recall the early growing pains.

Stick with it and you will soon be enjoying every flight with a new purpose.

 

BTW the FSE Forum is a kind place. Ask simple straight forward questions and you will get simple straight forward answers,

 

good luck !

 

cheers

 

greg

In hindsight, I definitely was unfairly expecting something else from FSE that it isn't. I just purchased Air Hauler and so far it's much more to my liking and style. Maybe when I get tired of AH I'll try FSE again.

 

Again thanks for the feedback and help.