So you enabled HT and went with a very unique Affinitymask.

 

I have a similar rig and would like to know what gains you see running like this versus a 1344 and HT off.

 

3930k owners would like to know.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

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1.55V? Wow. Are you sure you want to do that for just a couple hundred MHz? You could be probably be running at 4.8GHz or something with much lower Vcore. Obviously if you wanted a water cooled system and you are ready to do whayever it takes to get 5GHz and 2400MHz in your RAM (which is merely a 6-7% faster that 4.8GHz & 2133 RAM) you probably don't even want to hear about that, but one may argue it pays off for just that little perf boost. But to each his own.

 

 

 

Well, now this is plain stupid, sorry to say. You assume it's out of reach and that's the only reason why we get agressive? wait a second, I didn't see anyone going aggressive, oh and it's definitely not aout of reach of my wallet, but it's our of reach of my common sense when I know I would be getting essentially the same performance if I was to get that machine

 

Yes, I really don't care if I have to go to 1.65 vcore. The entire point of spending all of this money for water cooling in a silent setup was so that I can run 5.0 Ghz and 2400 Mhz. Yes I can do 4.8 Ghz and 2400 Mhz with only 1.475 vcore and I get incredibly good temps (around 50s under load in FSX). I could see clear difference between 4.5 ghz and 5.0 Ghz as I said, at least 5 fps. I didn't try with 4.8 Ghz, but it has got to be at least couple fps and in the grand scheme of things, 2 frames count.

 

When it comes to "water cooling", there is no common sense:) It's a useless, unnecessary hobby, that adds nothing to one's life. It's completely an extra expense.

 

So you enabled HT and went with a very unique Affinitymask.

 

I have a similar rig and would like to know what gains you see running like this versus a 1344 and HT off.

 

3930k owners would like to know.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

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The 4094 affinity mask made a big difference to me. FPS wise things are maybe 1-2 fps better, but overall experience wise 1344 was extremely choppy and full of stutters around downtown areas. For example with 1344, I couldn't comfortably fly on downtown chicago at night with all my addons enabled. FPS would have some drops to 7-8 for a few seconds. 4094 made a lot of difference, things are very smooth. I also always run coretemp/cpu-z on my 2nd monitor and with 1344 only 3 cores would be utilized in the game, the other 3 would sit around at 1%. With 4094 I can see all 6 cores reach to 100% several times a minute, which is pretty good.

Yes, I really don't care if I have to go to 1.65 vcore. The entire point of spending all of this money for water cooling in a silent setup was so that I can run 5.0 Ghz and 2400 Mhz.

 

Derstig,

 

I might be missing something but I have been running 5.0Ghz and 2400Mhz for the past few months now, 24/7, on my current rig (3770K de-lidded) with just a H100 for cooling. I've been doing it on 1.5v... The real advantage of your system is the fact that it runs ultra silently and that is awesome. As for the CPU itself, and pardon my ignorance, is your 3930 faster than my 3770 while running at the same clock speeds and RAM speeds? I just don't feel like googling this up lol.

 

Stieg

Overkill is Very suugistive , for some a aftermarket aircoler or H100 or watercooling with 2xrads

Back in the early days of watercooling i have a WW Golf rad overkill? It worked.

Its only you that can say if it overkill or not.

For me overkill is to run FSX with a LN2 Pot ( must be 2 persons to run it)

The last thing a shall do when Haswell is out, is to dig up one of My Old LN2 Pots an run FSMark11

With the 3770 , Thats Overkill

 

Hasse

Derstig,

 

I might be missing something but I have been running 5.0Ghz and 2400Mhz for the past few months now, 24/7, on my current rig (3770K de-lidded) with just a H100 for cooling. I've been doing it on 1.5v... The real advantage of your system is the fact that it runs ultra silently and that is awesome. As for the CPU itself, and pardon my ignorance, is your 3930 faster than my 3770 while running at the same clock speeds and RAM speeds? I just don't feel like googling this up lol.

 

I have a very bad OC chip, probably one of the worst out there. If I used your H100 on this, most likely I wouldn't see past 4.75 Ghz with these temps.

 

I built this WC loop with 1 thing in mind and that was quietness. H100 is, as far as I know, gets really useful if you up the fan speed and its a pretty loud cooling solution overall.

 

I have seen people hitting 5.0 Ghz with less than 1.4 vcore, I guess I have been unlucky that's all.

I just ordered a PC with a 3770k from CyberpowerPc. They are going to overclock it to 4.2 GHz for me, and I was hoping I wouldn't have to go higher. But it looks like I'm going to have to go to at least 4.5 to get respectable frames flying the NGX at large airports.

 

I'm planning on using ultra high settings (not completely maxed out, just default ultra high) and just a little AI traffic from MyTraffic X (~20% or so). Do you think I'll be fine at 4.2 or should I prepare to overclock higher?

What RAM are you going to use this with? Based on my experience, RAM speed does help, I have seen improvements from 1600 Mhz to 2400 Mhz. But 2400 is really hard to achieve unless you spend a lot of money and really increase your ram voltages.

 

4.5 Ghz should be fine. It also depends on you monitor, my biggest disadvantage is my massive 2560 x 1600 1 screen resolution, it doesnt help things. It would be better to have 2 or even 3 1920 x 1200 screens AND use SLI than to have 1 GPU but use 1 monitor.

 

EDIT : Another thing I didn't mention in my OP is the load times. I paid a lot of money to get the SSD I did (Samsung 840 Pro 512GB), I was very lucky and was one of the first 5 people in the states to get the drive (went into extreme amount of trouble and headache to get it, won't even bother explaining here). It looks like drive does pay off, with all my settings, even the most complex airport/scenery loads just under 4 seconds, sometimes even faster. I remember my 10k raptor in my Q6600 would take over a minute to load.

What RAM are you going to use this with? Based on my experience, RAM speed does help, I have seen improvements from 1600 Mhz to 2400 Mhz. But 2400 is really hard to achieve unless you spend a lot of money and really increase your ram voltages.

 

4.5 Ghz should be fine. It also depends on you monitor, my biggest disadvantage is my massive 2560 x 1600 1 screen resolution, it doesnt help things. It would be better to have 2 or even 3 1920 x 1200 screens AND use SLI than to have 1 GPU but use 1 monitor.

 

EDIT : Another thing I didn't mention in my OP is the load times. I paid a lot of money to get the SSD I did (Samsung 840 Pro 512GB), I was very lucky and was one of the first 5 people in the states to get the drive (went into extreme amount of trouble and headache to get it, won't even bother explaining here). It looks like drive does pay off, with all my settings, even the most complex airport/scenery loads just under 4 seconds, sometimes even faster. I remember my 10k raptor in my Q6600 would take over a minute to load.

 

The RAM I have ordered is as follows: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1866MHz. And about monitor resolution, that shouldn't be a problem. I've got a 19" monitor with 1440x900 resolution.

 

I'm not too concerned with load times, I'm okay with standard load times.

4.5 ghz and thay ram is more than enough for that 1440 resolution. You wont have any issues getting very decent performance.

Switched to these settings and seem to get some more smoothness (I know! Everyone hates that word). However, this Affinitymask and HT ON make my rig CRASH in ways I have never seen it crash. It has shut down on me twice.

 

Can you PM me your OC settings? Maybe post some screenies of your ASUS TurboV and Digi+ settings?

 

I am usually running about 4.7Ghz and have not had stability or temp issues but at this AFM and with HT ON I think I am making something VERY mad.

 

BTW I think you are onto something here. Check the METAR for KEVV at 1700 CST. Massive thunderstorm right now and the NGX just blew right through it with no stutters despite climbing through some serious clag. I think this is an OC issue on my end.

 

Temps at their worst were 64C with my H100.

Switched to these settings and seem to get some more smoothness (I know! Everyone hates that word). However, this Affinitymask and HT ON make my rig CRASH in ways I have never seen it crash. It has shut down on me twice.

 

Can you PM me your OC settings? Maybe post some screenies of your ASUS TurboV and Digi+ settings?

 

I am usually running about 4.7Ghz and have not had stability or temp issues but at this AFM and with HT ON I think I am making something VERY mad.

 

BTW I think you are onto something here. Check the METAR for KEVV at 1700 CST. Massive thunderstorm right now and the NGX just blew right through it with no stutters despite climbing through some serious clag. I think this is an OC issue on my end.

 

Temps at their worst were 64C with my H100.

 

I might be wrong but once you enable HT on your CPU, your OC headroom will be affected due to an increase in core temp. You will need more cooling if you are going to enable HT. I could be wrong, so don't quit your day job just yet.

Efrain,

 

Could be the case but temp spikes dont seem to be my issue here and usually these things are a matter of settings so I am open to any suggestions. I can turn it down if I have to but if I take a page from Word Not Allowed and Derstig maybe I dont have to worry about the voltage monster as much.

Here are my OC settings, feel free to ask for a specific one I may have missed:

 

Base clock : 100

Multiplier : 50

Gen filter : 20U

RAM Frequency : 2400

vcore : 1.525

VTT : 1.2

VCSSA : 1.2

DRAM AB/CD : 1.67

LLC : High

Power Phase : 150%

Ram timings : 10 - 12 - 11 - 31 - 2 (Asus Mode 2)

Spectrum(s) : Both are disabled

Speedstep : Enabled

HT : Enabled

 

Ever since getting this CPU, I have never turned HT off, so I cannot comment on its side effects. With the above settings, the max temp I see (and that's only for a split second) is 68C. 99% of the flight, the temps are around 59-61C. My GPU is maybe 50% utilized, its temps never rise above 30C (I wish it was used 100%, but oh well).

 

Switched to these settings and seem to get some more smoothness (I know! Everyone hates that word). However, this Affinitymask and HT ON make my rig CRASH in ways I have never seen it crash. It has shut down on me twice.

 

Can you PM me your OC settings? Maybe post some screenies of your ASUS TurboV and Digi+ settings?

 

I am usually running about 4.7Ghz and have not had stability or temp issues but at this AFM and with HT ON I think I am making something VERY mad.

 

BTW I think you are onto something here. Check the METAR for KEVV at 1700 CST. Massive thunderstorm right now and the NGX just blew right through it with no stutters despite climbing through some serious clag. I think this is an OC issue on my end.

 

Temps at their worst were 64C with my H100.

 

I just flied from KLAX to KSFO, my god I never saw such beautiful scenery at SFO, I was getting constant 25-30 fps around golden gate bridge, flying really low with everything maxed out. Seeing 12 cores in resource manager go 100% is also pretty impressive.

In cities that are extremely complex, such as manhattan, chicago, london, the fps drops to about 15-18 when flying over downtown areas, but stay around 25-30 when flying nearby.

 

Don't get me wrong, there are still times that this massive build is brought down to its knees, but there is a good improvement over the old build.

 

Sounds like a fabulous improvement and I look forward to a similar impression when I get around to building a replacement machine some time next year. Even so, it's hard to believe that's all you're seeing when flying over downtown big metro areas: 15-18 frames. This suggests if one is not willing to put up w/ that sort of frame rate one has to think about turning down a few settings, and when that happens you're squarely where I am, albeit up a few notches. Mind you, I have autogen at DENSE, airline traffic at 30%, ground traffic at 5%, and everything else maxed out. I often avoid the NGX when I'm in any big metro areas as frames in ~15 range just don't look that good and I'm willing to trade down to the QW757 to get great performance in dense areas. I took off out of KPDX in PNW scenery at dawn w/ full clouds, rain, beautiful red sky after I broke thru the ceiling and flying along there locked at 30 frames. It dipped to 20 while turning during taxiing. I was even able to switch on bloom and stay at 30. It strikes me no matter what you're on you have to make little compromises here or there. I think when I do the big upgrade I'm going to try not to dial up settings much more than I have now as it's already excellent visually. I'd rather retain strong performance in those dense metro terminals and FTX scenery even if it takes keeping settings less than maxed.

I have just realized that with hyper threading on the cpu requires more voltage and runs about 5-6c hotter (which is a lot). This might be why one of the previous posters had issues with crashes when he turned it on. I am going to test fsx to see if keeping ht off has any negative performance impacts.