Just curious. If everyone uses a TU-95, like this one: http://flyawaysimulation.com/downloads/files/2549/fsx-tupolev-tu-95ms-bear/

 

Wouldn't we win by a massive margin?

Just curious. If everyone uses a TU-95

 

Because after so many years of having an RWTR... last year a "White List" was instituted to give everyone what the Executive Committee deemed acceptable (from planes flown repeatedly from past races).

 

see post #4: http://forum.avsim.net/topic/392999-new-rtrw-racers-info-2013/

 

Note there is a "Thoroughbred" list and "Normal Race Aircraft" list. A team may use a thoroughbred for up to 10 legs (which consists of about 1/3rd of a typical race).

 

The Tu-95 is not currently on the White List and would have to be approved beforehand (generally submissions have to happen before two-weeks in advance of the race).

Hi. The rules state that turboprop aircraft are restricted to 2 engines therefore the Tu-95 bear would be ineligible. Best regards Bry

Oh ok. That sucks...it would have made things really easy!

Well, not really. Everyone else would also be flying the Bear, so no-one would have an advantage.

Well, considering that lately, the RTWR seems to be the "A'hm Available" vs. the DH-98 & SOP F7F show... maybe it should be limited to one aircraft per team.

Well, considering that lately, the RTWR seems to be the "A'hm Available" vs. the DH-98 & SOP F7F show... maybe it should be limited to one aircraft per team.

 

Hi Alan,

 

You're quite right that the A2A P-51H and the Alphasim/Virtavia Hornet are head-and-shoulders above the rest in terms of performance, so they've been categorized as 'thoroughbreds' as mentioned in GreatOzzie's post above (I think he linked to a thread with the approved "White List"). Each team is limited to 10 uses of thoroughbreds during the race, out of typically 50-ish legs depending on routing and each year's unique race-specific requirements. There are lots of other interesting choices available from the non-thoroughbred list that match up against each other very well with their individual pros/cons. The race is as much about strategy and execution as it is about aircraft performance.

Craig,

 

Having watched the RTWR from the sidelines in years past, I'm familiar with the General Rules of the Race and the White List. Personally, I just think that both the 'spirit' and the potential popularity of the Race would be better served if each Team chose a single airplane, based on reliability, ease of handling, and range. Then, Flight Planning, Baton exchanges and pilot skill would become more of a factor than just strapping into A'hm Available and firewalling the throttle. 30 to 40 cumulative total legs (based on 10 thoroughbred legs per team) with one airplane, spread out over four days or so, looks to the uninitiated viewer like a one pony show, blasting across the sky.

 

Look... Charles Kingsford-Smith, Roscoe Tanner, Bert Hinkle, et al. didn't have the luxury of having a different airplane to fly every day racing from England to Australia... why should the FS RTWR be any different?

why should the FS RTWR be any different

 

Because we can.

 

FSX / FS9 gives users the chance to fly aircraft across the entire gamut of Aviation types. So why should the race be any different? This is certainly in keeping with the spirit of MSFS... the ability to get a small taste of so many variety of aircraft in existence.

 

the Race would be better served if each Team chose a single airplane

 

pilot skill would become more of a factor

 

I see these two statements contradictory... if there is only one make/model flown by a team... pilot skill becomes less of a factor as you have the entire year to practice with that one plane. The more planes involved... the more potential in unfamiliarity w/ each aircraft. Not all handling are alike... systems / fuel management / autopilot etc.

 

 

looks to the uninitiated viewer like a one pony show, blasting across the sky

 

Ok this I don't get... you are advocating a single plane... yet now when about a fourth of the legs are "thoroughbreds", the race appears like a "one pony show"... :huh:

 

And for the life of me I can't see how it appears a one pony show as thoroughbreds include the Do-335, Alphasim Hornet and Gnoopey P-47. Plus last year we ran 747s, 737s, A318, Avanti P180, Mooney, Epic LT, F8F (not all types mentioned)... first event allowed choice from a wide variety of GA types then first leg was a Wright Flyer model.

The race has been a pony show pretty much since 2006 (or 2007, can't remember when it was first used). It's pretty much the ultimate RTWR aircraft under the current rules. It has better range than the other aircraft which can fly as fast as it can. If the rules weren't changed in any other way, a "choose on aircraft for the entire race" rule would only result in everyone selecting the 'H. If unlimited length legs where allowed, possibly some slower aircraft would be able to compete, maybe the Avanti would be the best choice.

 

In the last few years the Executive Committee has been trying to lower pony use by limiting the number of legs it can be used on, in order to increase the variety of aircraft flown. Together with the fact that there are a few more really fast aircraft available now we see quite a variety of planes used.

 

I think the ability to choose the aircraft for each leg opens up more possibilities for strategic and tactical decisions during the race, e.g. choosing to fly a slower but easier to land aircraft when going into a short dirt strip at night, as opposed to taking a pony you might not be able to land safely.

 

The factors you mention that would be better, pilot skill, planning, and baton exchanges are already the most important parts of the race. Races are not lost because you fly every leg in a slightly faster plane. Rather, races are lost because of mistakes in pilotage and planning.

 

The RTW race is not about emulating real life air races, it fully exploits the possibilities of using flight simulators instead. There are usually a few races throughout the year which are more like real life air races, where you choose a plane and fly the whole race in that.

 

Edit: finished the post, apparently I left a paragraph hanging

Edited February 8, 201313 yr by DarkCharizma

Ozzie and Dark, you know what? You're absolutely right.

 

I guess I'm just weary of pulling up race pages from three different FS sites during the RTWR, and always seeing the same airplane named in the Duenna printout; that's what made me think it's a one or two pony show.

 

I'll just keep my mouth shut and sit in the corner.

I see, this is a discussion where only you are allowed to have an opinion?

 

Edit: I'm sorry if this post seemed a bit aggressive, I think you bring up an important point. I quickly read your post as being dismissive of discussing it when someone disagreed with you. I realize I might have interpreted it incorrectly, in which case this post was way out of line.

Edited February 8, 201313 yr by DarkCharizma

I guess I'm just weary of pulling up race pages from three different FS sites during the RTWR, and always seeing the same airplane named in the Duenna printout;

 

Doesn't seem that way to me:

 

http://fs-duenna.com/flights/ListFlights.php?detail=last&value=&value2=&race=0&live=0&p=43&p=42 : 2012 rtw race official tracking... then work toward the beginning (next page)

 

I'll just keep my mouth shut and sit in the corner.

 

It need not be that way... just pick a plane or two (say Epic LT & Hornet F.1 or Avanti) then be a part of it...