The VC strategy wouldn't be dealable for me without tools like EZDOK. So i started to setup views i'm familiar with.

 

My normal Captain View is shown in pic1: Panels are at 75% to see bigger panels, nearly like i am used from 2D.

 

 

 

So the clickspt of the CDU is out of range. That means:

 

 

 

 i've to zoom out every time i want to popup the CDU and zooming back if i want to see the instrument panels at the same time.

So i am asking for a second clickspot for the former 2D lovers. That would make virtual pilots life much easier like you did with MCP.

 

Beside of that EZDOK views do not keep the CDU popup active, if i scroll through the programmed views. So it would be perfect to

pin the cdu popup through al views, even external view. Maybe it's possible already and i don't know the trick, but at least

a further clickspot for the CDU would be very appreciated.

 

Just press Shift+2 ?

Just press Shift+2 ?

 

Thank you for your reply but this shortcut isn't active. I'm using LINDA and i'm searching for a simple solution like seen with the MCP in 777

to popup the CDU via reachable clickspot from my Captains view, not by any shortcut. 

Mouse + Spacebar...

Mouse + Spacebar...

 

Not active, too. I'm using LINDA + EZDOK (as written in my first post) to get nearly the ergonomics i'm familiar with 2D. 

 

Beside of that how would it be better to use mouse + spacebar instead of zoom out/in again?  That still forces me to make 3 steps instead of one.

 

my situation:

 

zoom out

clickspot CDU

zoom in

 

in your case:

 

mouse + space

clickspot CDU

mouse + space to get your view again.

 

2nd hidden clickspot:

 

click to popup /close when not needed anymore. (i don't have to change views for that which is the main advantage)

 

I wouldn't ask for a simple clickspot if there is a suitable alternative. There are lots of aspects 2D is still more ergonomic than VC is today.

Not every virtual pilot prefers distorted VC in FSX to reach the most far away button of overhead panel. 

 

 

to get nearly the ergonomics i'm familiar with 2D. 

 

...and there's the fatal flaw.

 

 

 

Beside of that how would it be better to use mouse + spacebar than zoom out/in again?

 

To avoid the issue you later note as something you don't like, explained below.

 

 

 

in your case:
mouse + space
clickspot CDU
mouse + space to get your view again.

 

Which is eerily similar to what you'd have to do in the real plane...

 

 

 

Not every virtual pilot prefers distorted VC in FSX to reach the most far away button of overhead panel. 

 

You're not forced to prefer it.  The distortion only comes in at lower zoom levels.

 

 

 

As I always tell people who prefer 2D:

I get it.  As someone who spit all kinds of fire here around when the MD-11 was released because they mentioned it would be the last aircraft to include a 2D panel, I get it.

 

After consciously deciding to actually use the aircraft like an aircraft and not a complex selection of bitmaps, you'll find it's rather natural and simple.

 

Forcing the brain to view the VC through the mental picture of the 2D is never going to get a good result, and misses out on many of its advantages.

 

 

 

Not active, too. I'm using LINDA + EZDOK (as written in my first post) [...]

 

...then if you really want your own customized simplicity, why not create an EZDOK camera view that brings your eyepoint down to the CDUs?  You can even set it up such that it's a head-on view where you wouldn't even need to bring the CDU up in the pop up.

Every clickspot added lowers FPS - not going to happen, sorry.

K

 

Which is eerily similar to what you'd have to do in the real plane...

 

You better shouldn't play that card.

 

We aren't in a real plane because there is no:

 

EZDOK

Mouse

Keyboard

zoom/distortion

Autostepclimb

Time-compression

2D popups

hidden clickspots

 

This is flightsimulation, everyone should be aware of. You don't have to get a cripple because you aren't sitting in a real Cockpit. ^_^

Every clickspot added lowers FPS - not going to happen, sorry.

 

Hi Ryan,

 

sorry to hear that, because i didn't ask for 50 further clickspots, but for one, which does make sense from ergonomic point.

 

 And how much could this one affect the plane really to insist on PMDG principle?

 

You didn't forget to place the radio clickspots and the MCP smart (because they are centrally situated), but the most

needed instrument (CDU) is still out of reach and that's nothing i'd ever expect from PMDG.

Hi Ryan,

 

sorry to hear that, because i didn't ask for 50 further clickspots, but for one, which does make sense from ergonomic point.

 

 And how much could this one affect the plane really to insist on PMDG principle?

 

You didn't forget to place the radio clickspots and the MCP smart (because they are centrally situated), but the most

needed instrument (CDU) is still out of reach and that's nothing i'd ever expect from PMDG.

 

Maybe we can get a compromising solution here. 

Implement a right mouse click for CDU to the already existing radio panel clickspot (MIC switch)?

Implement a right mouse click for CDU to the already existing radio panel clickspot (MIC switch)?

 

Hi Michael,

 

the expansion of an existing central clickspot (mic) would be perfect.

Oh my god, there are so many ways to overcome your problem without asking THE DEVELOPER to put a hidden click spot.

 

Options:

-Assign the CDU a different panel slot (So it's not shift-2 since you've already assigned it)

-Use FSUIPC to map a button to that new shortcut.

-Drag the CDU to a second display (if you don't have one, buy the cheapest second monitor you can find).

-Get AirDisplay and use an ipad or any tablet as a super realistic touch CDU.

-Get TrackIR so you can actually look at the CDU by turning your head.

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Wait for some more years for when the Occulus Rift becomes a thing.

 

 

but the most needed instrument (CDU) is still out of reach

 

Not for the vast majority of us who can press "Shift + 2"

 

Why on earth would you let some software kill off the Shift+2 shortcut? And are you really totally prevented from simply re-assigning it?

 

It seems like that would be the best solution to your problem:  It's only one step to get at your CDU with a key assignment, and it doesn't negativley impact framerates for the rest of us who don't need a new click-spot.

and it doesn't negativley impact framerates for the rest of us who don't need a new click-spot.

 

 

I don't think Michael's suggestion would hurt anyone.

 

There are tons of simmer who don't come back here, because of destructive behaviour in the community beeing against everything

but aren't affected in any way. I'm just wondering why don't you negotiate about removing the hidden MCP and

Radio clickspots, if you worry about performance?

 

There are still many simmers do not accepting the strategy PMDG made with VC only. You can notice it every day reading carefully.

 As one who did accept this challenge, i do at least expect to meet halfway.

 

If you are happy already, please join any different thread. You can't be of any help here. I've very good reasons for asking.

 

Maybe some of you have never seen the clickspots of NGX 2D:

 

 

 

Keeping this principle consistent is still very useful with VC at least for those who, who don't like VC only, even you or anyone else here don't

empathise!

I use opus, instead of Ezca and have done exactly as suggested above and have a view that zooms straight to the cdu, and use it as vc not 2d popup.

 

I've got a belkin keypad that I map to opus live cam and can quickly just select views I want and doesn't mean I'm struggling to find key combinations then the belkin appears as a hid and so each key can be mapped as a button, not a key.

 

Other than that I either pan with hat switch or use track ir