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I have FsDream Team's KDFW Dallas/Ft Worth airport add on installed in my FSX scenery library.  I don't use the add on airport because it is rough on my frame rates so I disabled it over a year ago.   I also have FS Dreamteam's GSX ground services.  Today,  GSX ground services was missing so I reinstalled it.  But when I go to the the Dallas Ft Worth airport, the add on airport was enabled, even though I did not select it to be enabled.  I went into the FSX Scenery library and the FSDreamTeam airport is not even selected!  I selected it to enable it, then disabled it (and save the change) to see if this would make it disappear, but the add on is still there when I pull up the airport.  For some reason the add on is there even though it is not selected in the scenery library.  Does anyone have a clue what may be causing this?    This is only occurring with the KDFW add on airport.

Cray Foley

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If you really want to test it go to control panel and uninstall it from there and then test it again. Your probably best off uninstalling it anyway if your never going to use it.

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Hi Cray,

 

Just to let you know I have the same issue. I disable in the Scenery Library and the FSDT KDFW is still there. I believe it can only be removed by deactivating the product through the Addon Manager. You should not be too concerned with Frame Rates and the airport using VAS as it is not photoscenery and does not load in FSX unless you go to the airport or I think you are within 100 miles of the airport. I would leave it activated and enabled in your scenery library. I know it is not loaded as I once ran Process Manager with just FSX being logged and it showed me everything that was being loaded. None of my FSDT airports were loaded except KORD which is where I took off from. I own almost every FSDT airport.

 

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Jim,

 

Thanks for the information, but I will need to deactivate it since the FSDT add on does effect my frames rates pretty bad in FSX.  What is VAS?  I am not familiar with that.    Also,  I have other problems with the airport as well.  The runway lines are not visible unless I zoom in and I cannot see my cockpit instruments when I do that.  This makes it very bad also when landing for the runways will not even show up until I am about one mile from the airport when I use FSDT for KDFW.  It is just a brown patch.

 

I did check my "Add-on Manager" in FSX, but there is no listing for the airports.

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I did check my "Add-on Manager" in FSX, but there is no listing for the airports.

When you click Addons on the FSX Menu you will see Addon Manager. Open that and then click on FSDT. It will then show you all of the FSDT Airports. Click on the airport (KDFW) and it will give you details as to whether it is installed or not and an option to deactivate it.

 

Do you have the latest release of KDFW? I have the one released I think on 5/10/2014. Perhaps you need to update your version. I do not see the issue you are having with the runway lines. My FPS on Runway 35L in the Duke B60 is around 30 FPS but it is a well known fact that FSDT airports hit frame rates with all the eye-candy they have installed. KORD in Chicago is a killer for me depending on what other addons I have turned on or running. In real weather, I see a lot of stuttering around the gates.

 

VAS is Virtual Address Space. Your operating system only provides you 4GB's and, when that 4GB's gets low (usually after a long flight with high FSX/display driver settings with several addons running, FSX will barely run and eventually run out of memory. So, as an example, if you flew from Chicago with the PMDG 777 in real weather with lots of AI and Autogen, when you arrive near KDFW, the VAS will be running low and frame rates will be a major issue and maybe in the teens or single digits until you land and shutdown FSX or run out of memory.

 

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Strange,  there is no "Add on Manager" in my FSX Menu.  I found the "Add on scenery" and "FSDreamTeam" menu, where the KDFW airport is located, but no option of deactivating it.  As for the "Add on scenery", the KDFW airport is not even located there.  There is an" FS add on" file, but no airports in that file.

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  • 2 weeks later...

I went ahead and uninstalled the KDFW add-on but, it did note improve the frames rates much at all with the FSX KDFW.    Last night I did an 12 hour flight with my Delta PMDG 747-8 from KJFK to LLBG (Tel Aviv) add-on airport and when I was about 1 mile on final,  it freezes and the fatal error messages comes up and cancels the flight!  I can say I was really %$!  The LBBG add on is frame rate friendly (did one  flight departing LLBG last winter and had good frame rates).  I used my IoIo System Mechanic to keep my computer clean on a weekly basis, and up date my drivers when needed, but it did not help in this case.   I do have all my settings in FSX on low, including airline traffic at 35% and vehicle and boats at the lowest.  Strange how it still causes poor frame rates at some airports.  And know fatal errors added to the mix.

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Strange,  there is no "Add on Manager" in my FSX Menu.  I found the "Add on scenery" and "FSDreamTeam" menu, where the KDFW airport is located, but no option of deactivating it.  As for the "Add on scenery", the KDFW airport is not even located there.  There is an" FS add on" file, but no airports in that file.

That's strange Cray. My FSX shows Add-ons in the FSX Menu then Addon Manager as follows:

 

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I don't even see Addon Scenery unless I open up World on the FSX Menu and click on Scenery Library.

 

When you click on Addon Manager as I suggested above you will come up with the FS DreamTeam menu. Then you have to click on FS DreamTeam as BluePrint and FlightBeam also use this setup.

 

As I mentioned above, you are most likely running out of VAS. An excellent explanation of VAS can be found at the following link - http://support.preci...mory-oom-errors. Of course AVSIM has an explanation of these errors too and possible solutions in the AVSIM CTD Guide located to the right of this forum under Hot Spots.

 

The following will be added in a future update to the AVSIM CTD Guide:

 

Monitoring VAS in FSX or P3DV2 – The freeware or registered versions of the FSUIPC utility will allow you to monitor the amount of VAS remaining during a flight session. This might be valuable in troubleshooting Out-of-Memory (OOM’s).

Startup FSX/P3D and then enter the Addon Menu and select FSUIPC. Once FSUIPC is open, click on the Logging Tab and enter 024C under Offset and select S32 under Type. Select where you would like to have the usage displayed. The FS Window is for Full Screen sessions. The FS Title Bar is for Windowed Mode. AVSIM recommends you also check the Normal log file as this provides you information on how much VAS you had to start out with and then it logs usage throughout your flight.

The VAS usage is displayed in Kilobytes (KB’s). The value represents the amount of VAS left so, the lower the value, the more VAS being depleted. The max amount of VAS allowed in computers with 64 bit Operating Systems is 4GB’s. This is shared with other applications running in the background on your computer. For 32 bit Operating Systems, the max amount of VAS allowed for FSX/P3D is 2GB’s but this can be expanded to 3GB’s with a switch like the /3GB switch.

To convert the KB’s to the amount of GB’s, you should use one of the Byte converters on the Internet like the following: http://www.whatsabyte.com/P1/byteconverter.htm. You will never see 4194304 KB’s displayed as this equals 4GB’s. You might see around 3GB’s (3145728) remaining when you first start up FSX/P3D but that would be unusual. Do not be too concerned with the amount of VAS remaining when you first start up.

You might be interested in a utility in our AVSIM Library called Quantum Leap which allows you to speed up your trip across the US or any ocean but it requires the payware version of the FSUIPC utility - http://library.avsim...php?DLID=179703. According to the developer, “this utility was written to allow an FSX aircraft established at cruise to "leap" to a point further along the flight plan track. It allows the user to select a nav fix or manually enter coordinates for the jump-ahead point, as well as setting a new time in the simulation to be set at the designated leap-ahead point. The primary objective was to leap forward on very long haul flights to eliminate long periods of droning or wrestling with accelerated flight. It was tested with the PMDG® 777 and 737NGX simulations, but will most likely work with most other add-ons.”

 

Hope this helps.

 

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Jim,  Thanks for all the information.  I will take another look.  Your image you added should help where I should be looking.   It is strange how VAS works.  I have done long flights before without fatal errors.  The longest from Detroit to Chubu Centair RJGG, which was an add on airport (great frame rates too) which took 14 hours to complete without a fatal error.  The one I did from KJFK to LLBG where I had the fatal error I have flown before, but not with the add on airport, just the FSX airport.  I wonder if the add on had anything to do with the fatal error?

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have done long flights before without fatal errors.

Hi Cray,

 

They don't happen on all long flights and I assume it's due to the lack of Autogen being rendered as you fly across the ocean. It's when you hit land again that more stuff is being rendered and, if you have payware destinations, those airports will eat up VAS as you land. This is why I see so many complaints of crashes during the landing phase after a long flight. The only solution I know of is to turn off Autogen and lower your settings. You should try a flight with that VAS program enabled via FSUIPC. I log it to the FSUIPC log and, when I complete the flight, I'll open up the log (I created a shortcut to it on my desktop) and look at my VAS usage. It will go up and down but mostly down. It will at least give you a good idea as to whether I'm right or wrong. Back in the old days, we didn't have to worry about VAS too much as we had slower computers and we HAD to lower our settings all around just to enjoy those flights. Now computers are faster and we are turning our sliders up further and further and we are seeing more crashes as a result.

 

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Jim,

 

When I pull up the Add on manager, I get the Virtuali menu with the add on airports and aircraft.  I tested KSFO FSX airport with a QW 757 and the frame rates were so brutal I could not even taxi for take off.  The plane would move for about 2 or 3 seconds, freeze for about 5 seconds, move a again and freeze again for 5 seconds, or longer.  Sometimes it would freeze up to 10 seconds,  and this was not even an add on airport. I have minimal settings that are recommended from various posts I have read on improving frame rates. For airline traffic,  I have it set at 35%.

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The plane would move for about 2 or 3 seconds, freeze for about 5 seconds, move a again and freeze again for 5 seconds, or longer. Sometimes it would freeze up to 10 seconds, and this was not even an add on airport. I have minimal settings that are recommended from various posts I have read on improving frame rates. For airline traffic, I have it set at 35%.

Hi Cray,

 

FlightBeam's KSFO is pretty hard on framerates even on my system. It has a lot of eye-candy. I've never heard of it freezing up FSX before though and, if it is doing that, then you simply cannot run this payware airport on your computer. The manual that comes with the airport has recommended settings for "mid-range" systems but those settings seem awfully high, especially their Autogen settings which is a framerate killer anywhere in the world. So, after a long flight and landing at KSFO, I would expect even my system to have issues as the amount of VAS will be very low. I have had cases where I would land after one hour at a payware airport and fsx would run at a crawl especially if I had real world weather enabled and flying a payware 'heavy'. You might want to try that new program FSX Accelerator program and the demo which runs for 60 minutes to see if this improves anything.

 

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Hi Jim,

 

I don't have any payware airports for KSFO.  I did have one in the past but uninstalled it a year ago because of frame rate issues.  Yesterday,  I started at FSX KSFO but could not even taxi for take off because of very poor frame rates with it.  It was as thought the payware was not even uninstalled.    Not all my payware airports are frame rate killers, matter of fact, some are better then FSX!  Princess Julianna and Toncotain have very good with frame rates, just the large airports are terrible with frame rates from my experience with them and I don't use them.

 

You mentioned a new program called "FSX Accelerator"?  Where would I find that? 

 

Cray

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You mentioned a new program called "FSX Accelerator"? Where would I find that?

There's a topic about it right next to this topic.

 

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Jim,

 

Right next to this topic?  I don't seem to see it.  I checked the forum site also.  I checked Google and there is a "Microsoft Flight Simulator X Acceleration Expansion"  I don't know if that is what you are referring too.

 

I use FSX Deluxe Edition for which I understand has an Accelerator?  I also have FSX booster.  But from what I have heard it does not improve frame rates.  I do have SP2.

 

Cray

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