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Yes folks its here, and its quite a beauty to..Lovely Model, and VC. Cant wait to fly this baby tonight.I think Ill be doing some FedEX Cargo Flights into small airstrips :)Jason

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I just got it too. I fly this thign in the real world. I would say the performance specs are a little off on this one.

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Are you guys on commission, if the bloke who flys it in the real worldsays the performance is out, then this is a serious issue ie its a toy.Whats the returns policy for this stuff, thinking of getting the 747

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<>If you could find the time to post your specific concerns, maybe some of the gurus here could suggest some tweaks.Regards,Jim

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excuse me but I was under the impression these guys were experts andhad already consulted 'real' pilots, just seems odd.ps are connected to pmdg in anyway, just askingPersonally I have never flown a real plane so I wouldnt have clue whether I was flying something 'as real as it gets' or a kids toy.Do they make much cash, how are they doing?

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Monsoon, Since I am looking to buy this plane I was wondering if you could explain what it is that you think is "off" about this plane? What exactly does not behave as it does in the reak world? If it is only a small thing here and there I will not let it bother me but if it has major issues then maybe I'll wait. Thanks for your time!Philip Olsonhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/supporter.jpg

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Guys for 15 bucks its a great addon. I am a picky person when it comes to stuff like this. I was just referring to attainable torque at certain temps. Not a big deal. If you liked the D model they put out, you will like the C.

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In reply to the person who asked about the PMDG refund policy; this is copied directly from their website:- Note: Digitally delivered products are not refundable.Consider this with Flight1 products who give 30 days no quibble refund guarantee to anyone not 100% happy with their purchase.

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Just bought this myself, it's offered at a discount for a week. With discount, it's $14.95.As an aside, this forum clocks in a new record: product is out a couple of hours, and already the flaming and #### and complaining starts.ricardo

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>Yes folks its here, and its quite a beauty to..>>Lovely Model, and VC. Cant wait to fly this baby tonight.>>I think Ill be doing some FedEX Cargo Flights into small>airstrips :)>>>JasonWould you or someone has has purchased this already please comment on the virtual cockpit? I like the D model but the VC gauges are so slow it's unusable. Are the gauges in the VC of this new model as smooth as PMDG is claiming?Thanks in advance

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Ricardo,I haven't seen any flaming by any of the forum regulars in this thread. There does seem to be a newcomer here who's made a couple of "shoot from the hip" comments. Usually those members grow quickly in how they write posts, or they don't. As to the comment about the FDE (the only "complaint" I saw) was just that--a comment, and the user was entitled to make it having paid for the product. I have PMDG's 1900D and love it--I won't get the 1900C only because I'm partial to it's fatter cousin.Wait, that didn't come out right--uh--never mind :)-John

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>Guys for 15 bucks its a great addon. I am a picky person when>it comes to stuff like this. I was just referring to>attainable torque at certain temps. Not a big deal. If you>liked the D model they put out, you will like the C.I wouldn't be surprised if this was more related to a limitation of MSFS than a limitation of the design capabilities or experience of PMDG.Craig

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i don't know how much it compares to the real thing, but i'll be using this baby to practice IFR manoeuvres .. she's steady,stable and does what i want her to do .. 2 thumbs up!

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But how does the C compare with the D? In the screenshots it seems that the VC of the C is a bit more detailed, but I am not sure. Can somebody comment on that?Herrie

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>Guys for 15 bucks its a great addon. I am a picky person when>it comes to stuff like this. I was just referring to>attainable torque at certain temps. Not a big deal. If you>liked the D model they put out, you will like the C.But if you didn't liked the D is it still possible that you will like the C?For example I found the documentation to the D to short and a issue with the 2D panel, I couldn't read what the text said at the light switches. How is the C compared to the D? Improved?

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VERRRRRY SMOOOOOTH VC gauges is the first that comes to my mind...

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Nice to see someone taking the vc refresh rate seriously! It's not the completely brilliant RealAir style, but all the gauges are gathered in a single vc window, making the refrash rate as smooth as the ** Mustang.Add that it's nice to fly, has got wing-vews, and a fair price. Systems are as simple as can be, so if your'e looking for swithes, knobs, starting procedures etc., this might not be it, but I love the ability to land a plane of some size from the vc. Actually I spent almost my entire first flight in the vc and wing view :)Happy flying!Eagle

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It's important to note here that the PMDG Express line purposely does not feature the same ultra hardcore realism that the normal PMDG line does. I can virtually guarantee you that had this plane been a regular PMDG product, the torque thing you're mentioning would have been custom programmed in - it's a well known fact that the MS turboprop model contains some glaring errors, but fixing them is outside the scope of the PMDG Express line.Monsoon, if you can provide me will exact figures and a clear explaination of what you see the problem as, I'll make sure Vangelis sees it and perhaps he can attempt to address it in a future service release.

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Hey Ryan. I wouldn't worry about it. I am familiar with the lousy MSFS coding on turboprops. I am sure if PMDG was to work around all of it the price would definately be more than 15 bucks!

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I flew the 1900C last night on a VATSIM flight from KPHL to KLGA. I always liked the night lighting of the 1900D in the VC view, so it was nice to see the familiar blue glow. I could not get landing lights, beacon, or strobes to work though. Just the nav lights and a dim taxi light. After flying and studying the Aeroworx BE200 a lot I expected the BE1900 to fly similarly - probably a mistake on my part as it is a much heavier aircraft. You do have to keep some power on when landing or it drops like a rock - something the BE200 is reported to do as well. You can't beat the frame rates with this stripped down version and the price is right. It's a good addition and since I never went through the hassle of trying to reinstall the BE1900D on my new computer, I was happy to see this "remake".David

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Well PMDG missed a sale to me yesterday.The 1900C is still one of THE ugliest aircraft I have ever seen but the interior work/graphics/vc looked impressive so was considering purchasing after looking at the screenshots. However if PMDG are not prepared to release a demo or at least a refund to those people who this product does not suit then I really cannot be bothered giving them my money (I already have the PMDG 737 NG series -excellent FS aircraft but a risk to buy without any sort of refund process).I'll stick with Flight1 and other sensible payware providers who DO refund if things go wrong.AdamWin XP - ARIA 3200PCPrescott 3.20 GHz - 2GB RAMAsus ATi Radeon X800 Pro TD 256MB19" CRT 1600x1200 @ 100hzAudiophile 24/96 Audio

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I am surprised at the Turbo Prop comments on this thread and that they are NG in FS9. The Flight 1 ATR has a large following on their forum on the ATR-72, and many real ATR ATP's are frequent contributors to the forum threads and they say that the Flight 1 ATR has a pretty darn good flight model, and it is in fact, a turboprop. They should know.

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I think you'll find that the comment above said that the default turboprop flight model could be fixed, but this was outside the scope of the PMDG Express range. That was the gist of it, anyway.The Flight1 model costs rather more than $15. :-)Ian P.

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>I am surprised at the Turbo Prop comments on this thread and>that they are NG in FS9. The Flight 1 ATR has a large>following on their forum on the ATR-72, and many real ATR>ATP's are frequent contributors to the forum threads and they >say that the Flight 1 ATR has a pretty darn good flight model,>and it is in fact, a turboprop. They should know. Hey Bob. Yes you are right BUT there is a lot of trickery to make turbo props work. The programmers have to trick the MS coding into believing what they want to make happen. And that takes a LOT of work.

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>>However if PMDG are not prepared to release a demo or at least>a refund to those people who this product does not suit then I>really cannot be bothered giving them my money (I already have>the PMDG 737 NG series -excellent FS aircraft but a risk to>buy without any sort of refund process).>>I'll stick with Flight1 and other sensible payware providers>who DO refund if things go wrong.>>You're joking, right? What could possibly go "wrong" on a -until Monday- $15 addon? There is nothing wrong with this aircraft: it's basically a modified FS9 default Kingair, with a couple of very nice visual enhancement thrown in for good measure. It's called "Express Line" - mostly eye candy. PMDG are clear about this. ricardo

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