It seems to me that Tom Allensworth is trying to put a censor on this forum. You are not allowed to be critical or put your opinion on this forum. I think it is because the critical words about the A380 from wilco publishing, well they deserved some critic and in a democratic world we should be allowed to do that, otherwise a forum is worthless. As long as we give no bad names to each other, we should be allowed to speak our mind.best regards,

Yes, it's a shame for AVSIM.com that the first A380 thread in the Wilco subforum got deleted without notification and without any bad language or flaming inside it. Folks have just posted their opinions about this very questionable product as it's the official Wilco support forum.For what this subforum exists ? To praise them ?

>Yes, it's a shame for AVSIM.com that the first A380 thread in>the Wilco subforum got deleted without notification and>without any bad language or flaming inside it. Folks have just>posted their opinions about this very questionable product as>it's the official Wilco support forum.>For what this subforum exists ? To praise them ?>>I notice that the Wilco A380 is sold by Avsim in their online store. Now, if I owned a store then I wouldn't want people standing around criticising what I had for sale in front of my other customers - would I?It does, however, raise an interesting point. Can anyone who sells or promotes another's products be truly independent when their main business is not that of a wholesaler or retailer?David

I see two threads on the A380 on this forum right now (the original one is about 3-4 pages back).So which thread are you talking about?

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If you are referring to any thread in the Wilco subforum, those support forums are managed by the companies involved. If a thread was deleted in one of those forums, it probably did not come from AVSim staff (at least not that I'm aware of).

Also, isn't that forum called the "Wilco A320PIC" forum and not the Wilco forum or Wilco Airbus forum. Maybe the moderators of the Wilco A320PIC forum deleted post that were not relevant to the A320?

The wilco Airbus 380 is just a example, i mean that you should be free to speak your mind and be critical as long you do not use bad words!. Critical comments can bring products to a higher level, but if some reject that there is a stand still and no progress and i do not want that. best regards, Martijn

>The wilco Airbus 380 is just a example, i mean that you>should be free to speak your mind and be critical as long you>do not use bad words!. Critical comments can bring products to>a higher level, but if some reject that there is a stand still>and no progress and i do not want that. >best regards, MartijnOne has to remember that these forums are owned by AVSIM and not public property. That being said, AVSIM does have absolute control over content, either by them, or by us, and since I don't pay 1 cent to post or read here, I'm OK with the occasional thread deletion. Some may call this censorship but I call it business.AVSIM also sells advertising space to developers and, keeping this in mind, if I were one of those developers paying AVSIM for this ad space and a thread appeared thrashing my product, I just may press AVSIM to use the delete button. Sometimes even civil threads can turn vendictive so some form of moderation is required.Cheers,JohnBoeing 727/737 & Lockheed C-130/L-100 Mechanichttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/ng_driver.jpg

I can assure everyone that I receive no pressure from any business that advertises here to delete or lock threads.If a poster chooses not to believe this statement, then fine.

John and all,What a good topic! Free speech vs private enterprise. . . No question about it. . .free speech does not exist here. Any speech at all is only allowed through the good graces of the AVSIM staff moderators.Avsim must be careful to strike a balance somewhere in between too hot and too cold. Too much censorship will quickly render this MB meaningless as to any real discussion of our hobby. The opposite as in not enough opens AVsim up to legal liabilities.So, what about the in between? What if some dude really thinks he's been jacked by a publisher for some hard earned quid? And, he wants to let others here and elsewhere in our community know about it.Well, now we are back to the good graces of the moderators. Go to a publisher's forum and I guarentee you will be censored. Post it here. . .maybe, maybe not.Hopefully, since I'm not a fan of needless censorship. . .I would hope that the AVSIM moderators would allow even just plain negative feedback and comments. . .as long as the messages are not breaking any laws.There are a lot of less than upstanding developers out there who tend to release products before they even complete their betas. We've just about all seen it. . .we've probably just about all been burned by something like this. Accordingly, it sure is nice to be given a heads up on this kind of thing. So, IMHO, allowing some negative feedback is actually helpful.Gary Hawk

The first A380 thread in the Wilco subforum was opened by me maybe one or two months ago where I pointed to the Wilco website that the A380 will come from them.Before deletion it was a two-page thread with about twenty or so posts.It would be nice to get an official statement why this bad thing was done and finally WHO did it.

can assure everyone that I receive no pressure from any business that advertises here to delete or lock threads.If a poster chooses not to believe this statement, then fine.Well Ken - with all respect to you - I do not believe that - it is normal to be into some kind of pressure - by advertisers - or even by some of the (authors you protected - and allowing them use the 'so called community forum as they pleased) - directly or indirectly.let's be hones and face it - it did happen !netherless this is your site and you have all the right to do what you want with that ! but if this is the case - i would not consider this a community.raimondo

> can assure everyone that I receive no pressure from any>business that advertises here to delete or lock threads.>>If a poster chooses not to believe this statement, then fine.>>Well Ken - with all respect to you - I do not believe that ->it is normal to be into some kind of pressure - by advertisers>- or even by some of the (authors you protected - and allowing>them use the 'so called community forum as they pleased) ->directly or indirectly.>>let's be hones and face it - it did happen !>>netherless this is your site and you have all the right to do>what you want with that ! but if this is the case - i would>not consider this a community.>>raimondoRead it carefully sir- "that -->I<-- receive no pressure"I believe him totally, now Tom or someone else running the site MAY have gotten SOME pressure, but Ken hasn't, and take that for what it is worth.EDIT- And really, who cares? I only posted here to keep my membership active, I guess it's been a while.

This thread should be deleted. It's totally meaningless and has degraded into name calling. The original poster was complaining about a specific thread being deleted. When it was pointed out that it was 4 pages back the complaint switched to something about censoring in general in some unspecified way and at some unspecified time. How can you argue against that? If Ken says he has not come under pressure, unless you have some very solid evidence to the contrary, it's probably not wise to suggest that he's not telling the truth and that he has. Where do you get this stuff from? Get happy. Go fly a kite, ah, I mean your sim. billg