What would you do in a 30 min real Flight Sim experience?

[SubOne@YPPH 0]

Julian,

 

As a pilot at a 737-800 fixed base simulator (http://www.jetflightsimulatorperth.com.au), I would agree with what has been said in many of the posts here.

 

30 mins will go very quickly and there will be little to gain with using any of the auto pilot functions with the possible exception of the Auto Throttle. This will let you concentrate with the manual aspects of maintaining altitude and heading and experiencing the 'feel' of hands-on flying of a large jet as opposed to a simulator on a desk top.  If you're confident with scan rates and the ability to configure the aircraft for correct attitude and performance, then give full manual flying a go.

 

As for a circuit, I think you would be pushing to get a full circuit in especially if there is a 5 or so minute pre-takeoff briefing to refamiliarise yourself with the aircraft and the systems that you'll be more concerned with up in the air.

 

What 'we' usually do for a 30 min flight is a takeoff and climb to 3000' (AGL) to conduct some basic aircraft handling before a procedural turn to return to the airport for a landing from the opposite direction on the runway you took-off from.  Following a full stop, the aircraft is repositioned on a long final for a second landing.

 

And there you have it.  Hope this helps.  Have fun.

 

 

[kenz 33]

I thought fixed based sims receiving public are just homecockpit running FSX ? (like flight deck solution products etc..)

 

Full Flight sims are real "pro" simulators, the one real airline pilots train on.

(with a totaly different and more accurate flight dynamics modelisation, and running the real systems logic on the actual hardware the real plane have).

 

am I wrong ?

[joolsd 10]

I thought fixed based sims receiving public are just homecockpit running FSX ? (like flight deck solution products etc..)

 

Full Flight sims are real "pro" simulators, the one real airline pilots train on.

(with a totaly different and more accurate flight dynamics modelisation, and running the real systems logic on the actual hardware the real plane have).

 

am I wrong ?

 

 

I don't know about that. Maybe someboday could clarify? I know there is flight sim software other than FSX, X-plane, Prepared 3D which is not public entertainment license.

 

When I phoned up I asked the receptionist... 'Is this the real deal?' and she said, yes...  The 'real deal' hopfully not being FSX

[KenG 492]

 

 

 

 

As an instructor in Level D FFS (Full Flight Simulator) the real advantage is the ability to reset and do again quickly.

 

This may be OBE, but  I would recommend:

 

A couple of take-offs right in a row then a DP if you are really interested.

 

Setup on final for a few approach and landings.

 

Maybe an Emergency Descent

 

If you are really feeling froggy a OEI (One Engine Inoperative) approach to a full go-around.

 

That is about an hour worth from going on motion to off motion.

 

Fixed sim usually means without motion. It is mostly likely the same high quality flight deck replication as FFS just without the motion. There is a debate on if motion is even needed. Yesterday I was training a crew and after 2.3 hours one asked if we were on motion. We were off motion the entire time since the syllabus called for CPT (cockpit procedures training) and not simulator training.

 

Best of luck and enjoy. Spending over 20 hours a week in FFS the novelty has worn off for me quite some time ago.

[dgraham1284 92]

I think it's time for a road trip to Toronto.  I never knew a 777 sim existed. I did a 738 sim in Sydney.  Flight deck experience. Amazing time. 

[joolsd 10]

Best of luck and enjoy. Spending over 20 hours a week in FFS the novelty has worn off for me quite some time ago.

 

Well it will be interesting to see what PMDG and this forum have taught me.

 

The theory is there, but I know that the experience might be slightly different when actully doing it.

 

I'm stickking to a basic EGKK SID or circuit, as mentioned before. I have said to myself, 'just enjoy what ever happens, and try not to have too many expectations'. I will suggest my plans to the instuctor, but be open to his/her suggestions as well.

[joolsd 10]

I did the hour simulation today, and on the whole I was very pleased. The experience was so overwheelming so I feel this made me make mistakes.

 

The check list the instructor was using seemed different to what I was used to, in FS2Crew.  And I missed some of the checks when we were doing them. Things like the gear handle not being off. Saying RTO when really I meant Auto brakes 2 etc etc.

 

That said I was pleased that, I flew the NG and got a feel for the controls. And to be honest, PMDG have done a brilliant job. The way that it is easy to lose a few hundred feet if you get distracted often happens in the PMDG as well.

 

During the second take off and curcuit, I was starting to settle a little and get a feel for the controls. And starting to trim the controls.

 

The instructor let me do everthing more or less, except sit in the left seat which I am used to on my desk at home.

I am not sure how familiar he was with Gatwick, but he seemed to be looking for a DETLING SID (which doesn't exhist), I think I should of explain that it was the LAM 4M, that I wanted to fly.  We flew on Raw data anyway and that was great.

 

Unfortunatly there was little room for the video cam and it was difficult to focus in the light. And it run out off disk space. A enjoyable morning all the same.

 

[FleaJump 7]

Good to see that you finally got that time in a flight deck that is a good deal closer to the real deal than our home setups, Julian, and I imagine it won't be too long before you make your way back there for another session. 

 

From the video I can see that the visuals out the front window are WAY better than the simulator I visited in London's Westfield Shopping Plaza, where the flat screens used didn't cover the entire window area, but rather left a wide black peripheral "frame" around the view out the window, which to me detracted a lot from the realism factor.

 

 Matter of fact, I nearly took a tumble just before I commenced my flight there, because I leaned against the captain's chair to get a better look out the window, not realizing that the chair was NOT secured to any sort of a base, such that it came close to simply toppling over and taking me with it, when I leaned against it.  Hopefully they have bolted their flight deck chairs down by now, because I can imagine someone with slower reflexes winding up performing an unplanned swan-dive to the floor, if they made the same mistake I did, of leaning against those loose cockpit chairs.   Anyway, enough digression from me here.   

[joolsd 10]

 

 

Matter of fact, I nearly took a tumble just before I commenced my flight there, because I leaned against the captain's chair to get a better look out the window, not realizing that the chair was NOT secured to any sort of a base, such that it came close to simply toppling over and taking me with it, when I leaned against it. Hopefully they have bolted their flight deck chairs down by now, because I can imagine someone with slower reflexes winding up performing an unplanned swan-dive to the floor, if they made the same mistake I did, of leaning against those loose cockpit chairs. Anyway, enough digression from me here.

 

Tony I am happy to say that this sim was professional. (No FSX hiddern away, with a cockpit on top)  This place was pretty new, and was still being built. The tiller had yet to be installed.  The only problem with this cockpit, was that you had a cockpit entrance.... a wall behind each chair. This made the view not very good.

[joolsd 10]

With this session, I thought it would be good to call out the check list.  But the 'BEFORE TAKE OFF' check list sounded a lot more different to the one I used in FS2Crew,  which might of caused some confusion.  Calls he made such as 'FUEL FLOW' and 'CENTRE PUMP' dosen't appear anyway in the short FS2CREW inflight checklist. Maybe the FS2Crew is out of date, or not right?

 

Also because we may of been using a different check list the trim setting may of been in the earlier 'BEFORE TAXI CHECKLIST'?  

 

 

It was fun calling check list but I think it became counter productive because, without the previous checklist being called there would be descrepences, such as the trim on take off?

 

Which check list does 'FUEL FLOW' and 'CENTRE PUMP' belong to?