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Anyone here been practicing Windshear Escape (QRH MAN 1.11) in the NGX using ASN?

 

How well did it go? Any tips? How do you set ASN or P3D to give Windshear on approach?

 

Advice is sought, and would be great fully received.

 

Brian Nellis

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I just started using ASN recently to take advantage of the radar. So not sure at this point how

to set up wind shear. Or if it can be done manually and saved..?? There may be some way.

I got a predictive wind shear alert on the ND the other day when taking off out of KAUS..

I didn't realize that had been added to the NGX. "Looks like solid amber arrows pointing the

direction, and shows "wind shear" on the ND.. When I first saw it, I thought I was having a

bug of some sorts, and my sim was getting flaky..  lol.. But then I quickly realized it was normal

when I saw the wind shear warning. And the weather wasn't stormy or anything.. So was kind

of strange to get, and I didn't really notice the IAS bobbling around too much, so was a non event.

I assume if it had been an active alert, the warnings would have been red instead of amber,

and possibly an audio warning. There was no audio warning with the predictive alert.

Just two yellow "beams" so to speak, pointing off in two directions ahead of me.

Didn't last long, so didn't get to much time to check it out.

I guess one way to increase the odds would be to set up heavy thunderstorms, and add wind,

and strong gusts and turbulence.

 

 

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Or if it can be done manually and saved..??

 

I know it can be saved. I had ASN get frozen on a date/time for about a week or so when testing the 777. My test flights for whatever we happened to be testing tended to be IAD to BWI, and each time, I'd get windshear in the same spot (which is what prompted me to check my ASN settings, finding the stuck date/time).

 

 

 


And the weather wasn't stormy or anything.

 

Wind shear is wind. It occurs anywhere wind can occur. Granted, storms can generate a lot of wind to cause these, but again: anywhere there's strong wind.

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I know it can be saved. I had ASN get frozen on a date/time for about a week or so when testing the 777. My test flights for whatever we happened to be testing tended to be IAD to BWI, and each time, I'd get windshear in the same spot (which is what prompted me to check my ASN settings, finding the stuck date/time).

 

I had saved that weather in ASN, but when I later reloaded it and did  another takeoff, I didn't get the warning the second time. But maybe that was because there wasn't an actual wind shear event..

 

 

 

 

Wind shear is wind. It occurs anywhere wind can occur. Granted, storms can generate a lot of wind to cause these, but again: anywhere there's strong wind.

 

Sure, but the strange thing is it really wasn't windy at all. Not sure what triggered the alert. And I didn't

see anything out of the ordinary when I took off.. IE: IAS was pretty stable, etc..

I guess a disturbance in the weather force..  lol..

 

 

 

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Hi,

 

easiest way to open ASN debug window and then create a test micro-burst. Read ASN documentation for more info.

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Thanks Kyle, Mark and Kostas. I'll try and create a test microburst as you recommend, and report back here if successful so other users might get value from it.

 

Brian Nellis

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Thanks Kyle, Mark and Kostas. I'll try and create a test microburst as you recommend, and report back here if successful so other users might get value from it.

 

You might find this to be helpful:

 

 

Watched it last night and found it to be a great presentation. Old, but definitely worth a watch.

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WOW!!! Mind = blown. How far HiFi and PMDG/Boeing have come!!!

 

I tested it at altitude first, just to see what I was going to get... then I tried it on approach :)

 

Needless to say... but I crashed as result of pushing into the microbursts at low level (tried multiple times). Obviously I ignored all the alerts to get into that boat, but I was trying it out. First the upshoot (my thoughts were - is that all!?)... then came the mighty downshoot in the gut of the microburst (my thoughts at this point - oh crap!!!).

 

I will review that video Kyle, thanks for the referral. It looks intriguing. Any man who has a plane on a stick, surely commands the attention of the industry ;) 

 

To all who would like to insert microbursts/windshear:

In ASN, go to the "Tools" drop down tab at the top of the window, then click "View Debug Window". It will schedule the burst or shear, 3nm ahead. Or, you could simply follow the ASN guide, as Kostas recommended.

 

Be ready, be warned!

 

Brian Nellis

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To all who would like to insert microbursts/windshear:
In ASN, go to the "Tools" drop down tab at the top of the window, then click "View Debug Window". It will schedule the burst or shear, 3nm ahead. Or, you could simply follow the ASN guide, as Kostas recommended.
 

 

 

I tried it in a holding pattern :) great thread brian !

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Very confronting video. Especially the CVR playback. Rest their souls.

 

Thanks Kyle.

 

Brian Nellis

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PWS active below 2300ft RA only. PWS alerts below 1200ft RA only.

 

I set a fix ring at 6nm from rwy thr to tell me when to click the button in ASN. This will give me the burst/shear at approx less than 3nm/1200ft HAT to the threshold.

 

Barely enough time to climb-out, no budget for error.

 

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PWS active below 2300ft RA only. PWS alerts below 1200ft RA only.
 
I set a fix ring at 6nm from rwy thr to tell me when to click the button in ASN. This will give me the burst/shear at approx less than 3nm/1200ft HAT to the threshold.
 
Barely enough time to climb-out, no budget for error.
 
Brian Nellis

 

Well, i'm practicing Go-arounds at the moment from the FCOM and FCTM i may include this on my next run ;)

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I did one last night going into KHOU.. Set the microburst at 4.8 miles DME, which put the

mayhem about 1.5 miles from the runway.. Was doing OK for a while... Until the tailwind

kicked in and my IAS to dumped down to about 80 sumtin.. Ouch.. Burned my biscuits..  :mad:

Couldn't keep it afloat. I'll have to practice that. The burst is so severe I don't know if it's

flyable without some really early aggressive steps before you get to the tailwind.  

I'm not getting any audio wind shear warning.. Only visual on the ND.

Is that normal with the NGX? I was sort of expecting an audio wind shear warning with a

red letter ND warning..

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Mark, I initiated the burst a bit closer to the threshold the last time (2.4 nm from memory). I get the right aural alerts and visual alerts on the ND exactly at 1200ft RA. I might set a ring at 5nm from the threshold the next time, so ill get the burst lower and closer.

 

Strangely, I don't get the "Windshear" visual alert below the attitude indicator. Does anyone else? Have to check HGS indications, and autopilot behaviour too.

 

Anyway, the practice is paying off... I haven't crashed since yesterday. Actually, yesterday is the first genuine crash I've had in the NGX!

 

Brian Nellis

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You can't. I'm just describing the way I adjust the "trigger point" by adjusting the fmc/cdu range ring.

 

I usually push the ASN microburst button at 5.4nm to the runway threshold, which will put the burst 3nm ahead of the plane, which should equate to 2.4nm from the runway.

 

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Not getting the windshear warning on the PFD either. But I do when I do a terrain

warning test.

I figured out the problem with my audio warnings.. I had changed around some of

my sound files as I copied over my old ones from 1c, such as nose wheel sounds, etc..

Forgot to place the three new radar sounds in the older CAWS folder I used..

So got that fixed.

But.. I'm still not able to do a radar "test" using the test button. Every time I try that,

it bombs out FSX with an error. Does your radar "test" work? Dunno if a NGX issue, or

with ASN..  Both seem to log some errors when I do that. And FSX shuts down with it's

usual error log.. When I do the "test", it plays the first wav sound, and then FSX  locks

up and eventually bombs out to a restart..

 

But.. as long as I don't try to do a radar test with the test button, it seems to work OK

otherwise. IE: the radar itself seems to work OK, and I don't have any obvious ASN

problems trying to load weather.

 

I haven't crashed the plane again since the first one I did. But I flew one into the burst

a while ago and got down to nearly tree top level before I quit sinking..  whew..

The one I crashed was also the first time I had ever crashed the NGX. Don't wanna

make a habit of that. But I was flying into the burst instead of aborting.. I wanted to

see just how bad it was.. Gives you an idea what it must have been for that flight at

DFW several years back. And I watched the video Kyle linked to.. It was the same guy

that gave the speech about the "children of the magenta"..   :lol: 

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as I copied over my old ones from 1c

 

Probably not a good idea to copy sound files between the products. (Or any files, for that matter).

 

 

 

And I watched the video Kyle linked to.. It was the same guy

that gave the speech about the "children of the magenta"..    

 

Yep - there are a bunch out there with his classes.

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The GPWS test works fine for me. Something must be corrupted in your NGX installation.

 

Brian Nellis

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Something is not right I guess.. When I try a radar test, I do seem to get some errors thrown in ASN though, if you look at the debug page. But I also get some errors in the NGX debug txt that it spits out.

So hard to tell for sure what the real cause is. I did uninstall SP1c before installing Sp1d. And other than the radar test, everything else seems to be normal far as I can tell. Strange.. Well, at least I know now it's likely something on my end if yours is working.

I suppose I could uninstall/reinstall again.. And ditto for ASN.. The radar test has been doing that ever since I installed ASN and started using the radar. So it's not something that just popped up since then.

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Just re-install the NGX first. When you uninstall it, make sure you delete the appropriate PMDG/NGX folders in the FSX root folder so that your re-install is fresh. start FSX and try the test again.

 

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It appears to be more ASN or AV related than the NGX. As long as ASN is not running, the

radar test will complete. So I've pretty much come to the conclusion it's not the plane.

There is an issue pertaining to the radar data.

And I've tried all the various AV and firewall adjustments, along with checking the simconnect

status, which seems fine, and still not totally sure what the issue is.

 

I'm starting to lean to it being AV or firewall related, but what is strange is everything works

normal as long as I don't push the radar test button. Most times when I do a radar test, ASN

spits this out in the debug..

 

0140-failed to send the aircraft position: Error reading from pipe. Internal error: 109

0140-Failed to send ambient weather data through the pipe. Error reading from pipe. Internal

error: 109

 

FSX does a lockup/crash and burn/restart when this happens.

 

AV has both FSX and ASN supposedly excluded. I did do one thing.. I turned off stealth ports

as a test. And the radar test worked.. One time.. I then turned stealth ports back on. No work.

But when I try to repeat that test, I never could get it to work again, so may have been unrelated,

and just a fluke.

I did also uninstall and reinstall ASN, with no change. Ditto for the NGX base pack install.

Neither made any difference.  I guess I'll just keep flying it as everything otherwise seems normal.

I may tinker with other things AV related as I think of them.. But so far, nothing I try AV related

seems to stick, and if that were the issue, you would think the radar wouldn't work at all.

But everything works fine, with the single exception of the radar test.

Anyway, at this point, I don't think it's an issue with the NGX. Or as far as I can tell anyway..

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