hello everybody,got some 'hype' last night around the uninstaller introduced through the Superfortress 'Mania' base pack installer for the B-29B and Silverplate build variants ...read 'all about it' over here ==> http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforu...read.php?t=1584watch out for the 'Superfortress 'Mania' patch #987', which 'fixes' the 'messed up' uninstaller - it's now probably up @ all the sites that got the distribution!from the avsim library - get this: ==> http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=69396File Description:This patch contains a 'fixed' uninstaller program for the 'faulty' uninstaller which was created if you installed 'B29B_911! This 'fixed' uninstaller would NOT delete any gauges that the installer had installed before! Use this only if you have the 'FS2004 Boeing B-29B Superfortress base pack' from the original distribution in the file 'B29B_910.zip' to avsim.com, flightsim.com, simviation.com and sim-outhouse.com! For INSTALLATION of the patch #987, refer to the included README! Filename:b29_987.zipLicense:Freeware, limited distributionAdded:29th June 2005Downloads:220Author:Tom KohlerSize:30kbkindest regards and sorry again for any inconveniences introduced through this ...sincerely,tom 'Gnoopey' kohler--http://gnoopey.dyndns.org:8000/images/B-29/SFM-slogo.jpg--if it ain't broke, don't fix it

... in fact - two earlier patches (than #987 above) were introduced in Patch #988.Patch #989 is for the base package B29B_910 and fixes the missing gauges!Patch #988 is for the 509th CG addon pack B29_913!Fixes misplaced Alpha Channel on nose wheel doors texture. Patch numbering for Superfortress 'Mania' is decreasing, read the highest patch number has to be applied first! Patch numbers had started with number #999 and went down to number #993 for the PRE-RELEASED B-29B (those patches for the pre-release were never made public, they went to a few release testers only!).Patches #989 and #988 are the first ones for the released version of the B-29B and the Silverplate B-29's!Patch #988 also installs two (2) additional liveries from the 509th CG; aircraft #86 'Next Objective', represented as in use from June-August 1945 and one late war version.get the coupled patch #988 (#989 & #988 together):from avsim: ==> http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=69399from SOH: ==> http://www.sim-outhouse.com/index.p...pey&FileID=4100important to know - patch #987 as described in the post above, does NOT need to be applied after the earlier patches #989 and #988 - the uninstaller patch #987 is independent from the other patches!once more - sorry for any inconveniencessincerely,tom 'Gnoopey' kohler--http://gnoopey.dyndns.org:8000/images/B-29/SFM-slogo.jpg--if it ain't broke, don't fix it

hmmmmm ....that many downloads and still nobody with another 'problem' ...'bump'!tom 'Gnoopey' kohler--http://gnoopey.dyndns.org:8000/images/B-29/SFM-slogo.jpg--if it ain't broke, don't fix it

Hi Gnoopey,Just wanted to say Thank You for the Super Fortress. :-) Very well done, and thanks for contributing to the community.Best Regards,JoeGrab My FREEWARE Voice recognition Profiles here:[a href=http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fs2004misc&DLID=58334]Cessna 172 Voice Profile[/a][a href=http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fs2004misc&DLID=60740]FSD Avanti Voice Profile[/a].You will need the main FREEWARE Flight Assistant program to use it, get it here:[a href=http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=genutils&DLID=39661]Flight Assistant 2.2[/a]

my pleasure Joe,hmmm... , scratching head ... did I ever apologize for falling 'dead asleep' right in my 'cockpit' during your final 'photo session' with team SOH @ the end of this years RTW, didn't I?tom 'Gnoopey' kohler--http://gnoopey.dyndns.org:8000/images/B-29/SFM-slogo.jpg--if it ain't broke, don't fix it

Hi Tom,I wasn't going to write down my opinion, but since you insist on having reactions ('bumping' your post again), here's mine :-)First of all, let me thank you for taking all the effort for creating (what seems to be) a wonderfull aircraft.That having said......I DID download the B29, but never got to install it. And in fact I deleted it now.Why ?First of all, like many people, I really hate self-installers; your orignal aircraft proves again why :-).Secondly, after reading the (de-)installer problem, and after that, your (IMO: complex) patch-over-patch strategy to solve bugs, plus your link to the patch in the second post ( http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=69399 ) leading to nothing, I lost all faith and decided to spend my (limited) FS time on other things.Now, unless you come up with a full, new package of which I hear nothing but good news, I let this aircraft pass by.As a sidenote: Being a freeware designer myself, I DO know it is very difficult to get a complex addon like this right the first time; but if you insist on using self-installers for your addons (or patches ?), IMO errors in that area are simply unacceptable. Hope you understand and forgive my comment ....Best regards, Rob BarendregtPS: Personally, I find inclusion of default gauges (which you did, if I understand correctly) a bad idea, especially since users may have possibly decided to use updated versions of default gauges (which would now probably have been overwritten). And secondly, placing all gauges in the local panel folder instead of the global gauges folder would avoid this problem at all ...But again, that's just my opinion :-)

Thank you for an excellent add-on; I appreciate your work in making my flying more enjoyable.I believe I will pass on the patch, only because I have no intention of ever un-installing your aircraft. :)Bobby

I agree with you Rob. I love the B-29. I also hate autoinstallers. If the uploader wants to make it simple for those who do not understand how to install an aircraft, fine, then use an autoinstaller. But for the majority of the users make a standard zip file with simple instructions in the readme. I found the missing gauges on the initial install, when I was making some changes in the panel for myself. Others downloaded and installed it, and used it, without even realizing the gauges were missing. I like to see the structure of the install, where the changes go, what gauges are installed, etc. Autoinstallers for an update are a no-no in my mind too. Best regards, Bob.

>As a sidenote: Being a freeware designer myself, I DO know it>is very difficult to get a complex addon like this right the>first time; That being said, Rob is _abnormally_ good at getting them right... then telling everyone how to make his stuff for/by themselves! *grin* Rob-Fan-Club Member #3459823109889431

Hehehe....I think we all could have used some sleep after that one. I'm lucky, I have a very understanding wife who let's me play once in a while.Of course having the computer on 24 hours a day for a few days, fans and all, for the Teamspeak server almost did me in. ;-)Apology not needed, but accepted all the same. Thanks. :-)BTW - No problems on my end, plane works fine on my system.Best Regards,JoeGrab My FREEWARE Voice recognition Profiles here:[a href=http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fs2004misc&DLID=58334]Cessna 172 Voice Profile[/a][a href=http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fs2004misc&DLID=60740]FSD Avanti Voice Profile[/a].You will need the main FREEWARE Flight Assistant program to use it, get it here:[a href=http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=genutils&DLID=39661]Flight Assistant 2.2[/a]

{Thu Jun-30-05 10:13 AM by rcbarend}>Hi Tom,>>I wasn't going to write down my opinion, but since you insist>on having reactions ('bumping' your post again), here's mine>:-)>Hi Rob,I'm grateful that you took the time!{Thu Jun-30-05 10:13 AM by rcbarend}>First of all, let me thank you for taking all the effort for>creating (what seems to be) a wonderfull aircraft.>'De nada' - read, my pleasure :){Thu Jun-30-05 10:13 AM by rcbarend}>That having said......>I DID download the B29, but never got to install it. And in>fact I deleted it now.>Why ?>First of all, like many people, I really hate self-installers;>your orignal aircraft proves again why :-).It only proves, that I'd done something wrong! It does not prove, that self-installers 'in corpore' can or should be blamed! IMNSHO, you're 'wasting your hate' (LOL, it's in fact a pretty strong emotion - don't we all have the tendency to take all this a little bit too serious, do we?) onto the wrong topic :) .... (read 'we' as just you and me - LOL){Thu Jun-30-05 10:13 AM by rcbarend}>Secondly, after reading the (de-)installer problem, and after>that, your (IMO: complex) patch-over-patch strategy to solve>bugs, plus your link to the patch in the second post (>http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=69399 ) leading to>nothing, I lost all faith and decided to spend my (limited) FS>time on other things.>I understand and I agree pretty much with you! - '(IMO:complex)' - NOT really complex - two pretty small patches (the important one in fact VERY small!), independent of each other - 'well' described, the first one self 'induced', read nobody has found out about THIS error but myself - AND both are bug FREE to my current knowledge!- you're faith not beeing overly big is understandable - because you didn't know me beforehand!- limited time is our common burden ;){Thu Jun-30-05 10:13 AM by rcbarend}>Now, unless you come up with a full, new package of which I>hear nothing but good news, I let this aircraft pass by.>Yeah - again, understandable! I will come up with a full, new package asap! I just couldn't do it that fast. That's why I just came with the fixed uninstaller as fast as I could - it took only a few hours (in fact very few), after that guy in the flight sim forum had complained about this error!{Thu Jun-30-05 10:13 AM by rcbarend}>As a sidenote: Being a freeware designer myself, I DO know it>is very difficult to get a complex addon like this right the>first time; but if you insist on using self-installers for>your addons (or patches ?), IMO errors in that area are simply>unacceptable. >>Hope you understand and forgive my comment ....>>Best regards, Rob Barendregt>Oh 'boy', yes I understand and NO, I DON't forgive you - LOL - simply because I can see nothing, that you did / said / wrote anything wrong ;)In fact - and I'm repeating myself - I'm grateful that you took the time to answer that thorough!{Thu Jun-30-05 10:13 AM by rcbarend}>PS: >Personally, I find inclusion of default gauges (which you did,>if I understand correctly) a bad idea, especially since users>may have possibly decided to use updated versions of default>gauges (which would now probably have been overwritten). And>secondly, placing all gauges in the local panel folder instead>of the global gauges folder would avoid this problem at all>...>But again, that's just my opinion :-)And again - it's my own opinion, too :)Yes I did include default FS9 gauges and that was of course wrong! I apologized for it - see post #1 on top! No excuse!The explanation why I made this 'error' is simple, too! I had initially planned / prepared and I am still planning for a CFS2 version, where these gauges would be of course NOT default ones! They are 'stock' FS9 - but they're also in fact pretty 'old' ones that were introduced with FS2000 and or FS2002!My fault for not checking this (keeping the default gauges also in the FS9 distribution three) in advance - and I'm standing in front of y'all with my 'bloody' head ... - but don't think, that I give up that easy :)Let me try to explain a bit more - just in case you haven't clicked my link to the SOH forums ...The public PRE-RELEASE of my B-29B Superfortress went public @ sim-outhouse.com in late september 2004! That package was also done with just the same 'error' in the un-installer! This PRE-RELEASE lasted over nine (9) months and got more than nine thousand (9,000) downloads!!!NOBODY, I repeat, NOBODY had found this out before! Or if somebody had found out, he / she hadn't brought it to my attention!Can anybody in this 'business' expect more from something like that (this Superfortress package) with such a price / performance tag?I'll answer this for y'all - you CANNOT!!!Can you expect that I pay attention to this ... ?You bet you can! I always discussed everything in public and I'd constantly asked for 'qualified' feedback!Let me finish this post with some more facts about my recently posted files ...- only the public file 'B29B_910.zip' is 'faulty' - it's un-installer will remove default FS9 Cessna & Kingair gauges if invoked!-- the now public patch #987 fixes this 'flawed un-installer' behaviour completely - that patch is ~ 30 KB only!!! -- the workaround to fix the removed gauges if somebody haven't got the patch #987 - is also simple: ---- re-install the B-29B Superfortress from B29B_910.zip with it's installer as described - the previously removed gauges will be re-installed completely!---- now remove the B-29B by just deleting it's folder tree---- remove the un-installer 'Uninstal-B-29B_v1.1.exe' from your FS9 directory by just deleting it!---- remove the package by invoking 'add/remove software' in your Windows control panel! sincerely,

>Thank you for an excellent add-on; I appreciate your work in>making my flying more enjoyable.>>I believe I will pass on the patch, only because I have no>intention of ever un-installing your aircraft. :)>>BobbyThank you for the feedback Bobby!But don't pass on the patch - it's better to use it 'cuz one never knows - in a few days, weeks, months, you might decide to use the faulty un-installer and then ....sincerely,

>I agree with you Rob. I love the B-29. I also hate>autoinstallers. If the uploader wants to make it simple for>those who do not understand how to install an aircraft, fine,>then use an autoinstaller. But for the majority of the users>make a standard zip file with simple instructions in the>readme. I found the missing gauges on the initial install,>when I was making some changes in the panel for myself. Others>downloaded and installed it, and used it, without even>realizing the gauges were missing. I like to see the structure>of the install, where the changes go, what gauges are>installed, etc. Autoinstallers for an update are a no-no in my>mind too. Best regards, Bob. thank you Bob!first of all, I'm not sure if you've ever seen a real 'autoinstaller'... ? There, you as the user cannot give ANY input - THAT is an 'autoinstaller'.Having said that - there are no such things as 'simple' instructions on how to install an aircraft for M$ flightsims. Even if there are any, they are constantly 'misread' IF they are read ;(This is the brutal truth about our 'business' ;)I bet you've already used 'autoinstallers' for updates IF you're using Windows - and you use Windows - because you've already 'flown' my B-29 ...And even M$ does 'em 'wrong' from time to time ... ;(Having said that - I once was feeling similar as you Bob and Rob about 'autoinstallers' but I've changed my mind ...They have tremendous value - of course when 'programmed' correctly - and it's also a fact, that nowadays 'usual users' demand things like that ;(sincerely,

Rob,please allow me another thought about your comments and stuff like that in general.I was and I am openminded with all this. The same I'd expected from people who do use stuff I did. BTW - have you read my 'licence agreement' in my 'autoinstaller' - no, of course you haven't ;)I'd expected, that if somebody should find any issue, that this would be brought to my attention in 'person'! Especially if it's thought to be 'severe'.That guy, that 'mocked up' in the flightsim forum with my error, did not notify myself in person through email e.g.! Negative - he just posted to a forum where my user account was deleted at that time ...Anyway - I hope to 'prove better' in the near future ... In the mean time, have fun!sincerely,

Hi Tom,Thanks for understanding :-)Now, we could have a lengthy debate on the pro/cons of auto-installers.The reason I hate them so much are:1. It happens too much that people donot implement them right.I won't give an example :-)2. Even WHEN implemented right, there's no guarantee that they work properly, simply because FS doesn't support some kind of version control. Just suppose that 2 independant designers use the same filename for a new gauge, effect, sound, or whatever file (any file in a common FS folder). Can you see what will happen ???And that DOES happen :-)Hence, as an experianced FS user, I always want to be in control myself with installs. So I always use the "trick":- Install to a temp folder.- Make a copy of this temp folder- Deinstall.- Then manually install from the copy-temp folder to the FS folders.And that never fails, unless the addon uses registry keys for internal communication; but in that case: I simply don't use it.But if you have a new full upload, I''ll try again. Because from all the other comments, it sounds like a must-have :-)Cheers, Rob