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NO way, NO thanks...gates.to

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On the front page is an ad for a great new piece of software from gates.to. i thought I would have a look and it seems like a great add-on.Here is the problem though. I am not about to support a company that wants to have pop up ads appear on my sim while I'm flying.Here is what I found on their site. I won't buy anything from a company that wants to hijack my plane. if I'm reading this all wrong then tell me so I will stand corrected.=============================================AdWareYou know how important it is to let users know about your products and services. Thanks to gates.to/FSNet we are now able to offer you the opportunity to promote your brand within MSFS.The main difference between advertising in a specialized magazine or web site and gates.to/FSNet is that, when you choose gates.to/FSNet users will get your message while flying rather than having to buy a magazine or visit web sites. Moreover gates.to/FSNet will let you tailor your message(s) according to the users own language, flying location and aircraft in use. For istance, if a French user is flying a single propeller aircraft over Honolulu, you can decide to let him know about your latest Hawaii Scenery and, why not, your latest version of the Cessna 182 panel in French!The only limitation we can foresee now is that you will only be able to show a text message, that will be periodically played in the ATIS communication window, rather than the colourful presentations you publish in a magazine or over the web.Initially, until the gates.to/FSNet user base becomes big enough to plan a proper marketing campaign, you will be entitled to get an

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Gotta agree with you 100%. This is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard. He must think pretty low of simmers if he believes this will work. (IMHO)I don't care what the product is or how good it may be, this poisons it.Glenn

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Just about the craziest and most self-destructive idea I've seen in a very long time! Jaap Verduijn.

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No way! I will never, ever buy this or even take it for free. How can they think that anyone wants to put up with ads during their "down" time? This is the problem today everyone seems to think that it is ok to intrude into every piece of a persons life to try and sell a product. My mantra is "If I wanted to buy your crappy product I would be out looking for it but since you forced it into my face I will never buy it." I refuse to buy any product that uses pop-ups or telemarketing, no exception, I value my down time and privacy. I will speak out against this product and warn others about it, I am pretty sure if you asked users if they would like this feature almost 100 percent would say no, so why are they including it????????????????????? Keep your spyware and adware crap off of my flight simulator!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Best Regards,Philip Olsonhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/supporter.jpg

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I agree, NO WAY!

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[h3]Absolutely[/h3] [h1]100% NO![/h1]Thats just the most disgusting and despicable idea in the history of flightsim. Whats next, commericials during your shows on TV that are in a Picture-in-Picture box?Pathethic, I will not tolerate it. Sounded like a good idea/product that would be a lot of fun with two people.I hope it isn't this way: Your in your jet, just after takeoff"Gear up... Gear Up. Flaps 10.... Flaps 10. Flaps 5.....Flaps...Err....Uhh....Visit Hawaii with Our New Product... Flaps 5??....One minute the !@#$%@#$!@ ad isn't closing. etc, etc."[h3]IF[/h3]they have to do this, find a way to add it in so that we won't be interrupted by it. Like in the kneeboard.. put it on one of those pages and when you click on it it would be visible for a second or two.Either way, it's still the worst idea in the history of flight sim's in my humble opinion.Jason

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>The only limitation we can foresee now is that you will only>be able to show a text message, that will be periodically>played in the ATIS communication window, rather than the>colourful presentations you publish in a magazine or over the>web.>Well, there's that limitation and also the fact that any flightsim company that chooses to advertise that way would be boycotted by the very consumers they're trying to reach.BTW, has anyone ever thought about selling ads on their repaints, lol

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The idea is sound. While it may not be for everyone it's good enough for most.It might even get some wannabe pirates to use the adware version instead of pirating it...And I doubt Maurizio would much care to loose people like you.

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Obviously, I will not buy FSNet, or any other product the company will produce in the future, and of course I will also boycott any company that uses gates.to adware.But I can already see, how developers will defend their use of adware: "Our development costs are so high, that this is the only way to recoup our investment", "You'll have to put up with it, if you want to buy our product for less than $100" etc.And then some freeware author will come up with a tool that blocks the ads, which the adware users will try to circumvent in the next update, and a vicious circle begins. The loser is the simmer who'll se a loss in performance due to background processes 'fighting' each other on whether or not to display the ads.No thanks!Cheers,Gosta.

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Maybe, we need to reconsider the ol' tar and feathering form ridding the world of objectionable personnas.This is absolutely unacceptable and rubs me the wrong way sooo baaad!Ewueeeeee!Larry S.P.S. Reminds me of the saying when I was still working: "Just because we have the technology doesn't mean we have to build it!"Cell phones embedded with digital cameras and teeny/tiny number buttons comes to mind!

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>While it may not be for everyone it's good enough for most.If 8 out of 9 people in this thread, immediately with no hesitiation put their hands down and said NO, how is that good enough for most people? If you did it with 1000 people the result would be the same. I would think nobody wants ads in their flight simulator.>And I doubt Maurizio would much care to loose people like you. Oh really? So he wouldn't mind if he only sold 1/10 as much as he could if there weren't ads in it?If the PMDG 737 for example had pop-up ads in your flight simulator most people wouldnt buy it. Please elaborate on how it is "good enough for most" because from this thread it clearly is not even close to being considered to be purchased.Looking foward to your reply,Jason :-waveEDITED to add nutmeats vote for NO. P.S.- Your "And I doubt Maurizio would much care to loose people like you." will be e-mailed to him, and we will see how he thinks of that?

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"The idea is sound."No it isn't, it's appaling."While it may not be for everyone it's good enough for most."Most? Yours is the only post that isn't opposed to this."And I doubt Maurizio would much care to loose people like you."I think he'll *loose* most of his client base if he has pop-up ads on his product. I sure as heck wouldn't even consider it.Richard

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Lets make that now 9/10 people :)

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I love PMDG's products but I can garauntee that if they had adware / spyware I would not own it, period! What I can not understand is how anyone can think that this is acceptable? Well I can see, it is those that are only interested in making profit for themselves and do not truly care about the customer. I find it interesting that on the gates.to website they say how much they care about the customer, but anyone with any sense would know that most everyone here would be against adware/spyware in their FS. Maybe they will realize the error of this idea, I hope, and change their minds about this but if they do not it is clearly about profit and not what the customers want. I own my own business and so did my parents before me, I know about profit and trying to make a decent living but we have always done it with the customers desires first, not trying to sneak something in the back door. I treat my customers like they were my immediate family. I can tell you that I would not be happy about what my dad would say to me if I put spyware on his computer! :-) The end result of the way I treat customers...... right now I have more customers than I can handle, all by word of mouth. I hope that they come to see this. Besides, I wonder why so many people and governments are trying to stop adware/spyware? Could it be because it is an invasion of privacy, or maybe people are sick of advertising creeping into every aspect of their lives? I am, so I will not have any part of any company that tries to further fill my life with ads!Best Regards,Philip Olsonhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/supporter.jpg

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That makes 12 of 13, Mr. Wenting.I still see no idea how the idea is sound.

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If you look at what this really is it is even more disturbing. The developers are attemting to sell this pack of crap TWICE. Talk about payware, they would SELL adspace to, whomever. Then put this rotten mackerel on the store shelves and sell it to, whomever. Glenn Flowers

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For me its death by association. Both names are associated with the Lago FSE Fiasco and thats enought for me to stay clear and not support them in any way.Dennis

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It's bad enough that we have to run "Spyware" programs to rid our machines of this crap, and now some idiot wants to infect our flight sims too? I think not! I'll avoid any and all developers that want to do this.Darrell

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What surprises me is that AVSIM have not responded to their customer base in this thread, as to the possibility of pulling the front page ad, and also giving a warning or at least a very clear answer, as to what their position is on hijacking your sim.

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I think the objections to this is a little overblown. I have no idea of the history of Lago, but as long as they are upfront in their readme.txt that users expect to get ads, and exactly how/where/when they will see the ads, I think it's fine.Another thing is that the ads will appear in the ATIS. That's not even like a popup window. That's just text, and it's more like a 'customer opt in' thing rather than an opt out. (ie. you need to press '+2 to see the ad.A little similar to the initial objections to ads in Gmail which is just way irrelevant... :)

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Here is what they say about the beta version.========================After we fix all the main bugs in the private beta testing cycle, we will release the public beta version. You will be able to download and use the public beta for free.Once the public beta version is stable to our standards, we will release it and it will become available as an AdWare product. Meaning you will be able to use it as long as you like if you accept, every now and then, to get some advertisement in the ATIS communication line about products and/or services offered by any third parties associated with the AdWare program.=========================OK, so they are up front about it ... sorta. It sure is not on the main page with the rest of the great program info. AVSIM's promo on the front page says nothing about it. I had to dig a bit to find out about it. But yes, you are correct, it does give you a choice. use it and get the ads, or don't use it. I think I'm still of the "NO way, NO thanks" mode. If you don't take the stand now, then it's only a matter of time before your planes are being hijacked by every add-on supplier out there.

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>"The idea is sound.">>No it isn't, it's appaling.>>"While it may not be for everyone it's good enough for most.">>Most? Yours is the only post that isn't opposed to this.>>"And I doubt Maurizio would much care to loose people like>you.">>I think he'll *loose* most of his client base if he has pop-up>ads on his product. I sure as heck wouldn't even consider it.>>RichardDitto from me Richard.Jason, don't let Jeroen get to you...he is probably trying to "wind folks up" - again!?!There is always one !?!Til the next time!Ian

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Another thing I've just thought of is that this is a free product (assuming that is indeed so.) Free products need ways to recoup their costs/earn more money.Just like the front page of Avsim has ads on the top of the webpage (taking up 20% of screen real estate on a 1024x768 monitor). Would I prefer less ads there? Maybe. But I think that's a little unreasonable because the service is provided as a gift, and they have the right to do what they need to do to continue operating (and of course we have the option too of not using the product.) As gifts go, there's also a thing about a horse's mouth or something... :)It's a balance between the benefits (hours of fun not previously available for FS?) vs the cost (10 seconds of looking at the ATIS voluntarily for the weather info and also looking at some text ads at the same time?) The only thing I'm worried is for them to go beyond standard privacy practices...

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A company has launched the initiative to sell space in the flight simulator world: "We are dedicated to giving our customers the highest value for their money. We will sell neon signs that will appear on all autogen buildings. We also offer larger banners that will appear on famous landmarks like the golden gate bridge. We have a lot of buildings to sell, and they will go to the highest bidder, so we urge our customers to be quick. We are looking at the possibility to place a banner on the moon too, but have no yet decided on the price."

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Count my vote in as a loud NO! I will boycott any company / website / freeware developer that has anything to do with something like this. Coming from someone who receives hundreds of spam e-mails a day (even though a filter), this direct marketing is a serious invasion of privacy. That being said, no reputable company is going to do something like this. Think of what the community reaction would be as a whole...

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