Hi there,some time ago i'm pretty sure i read a thread on displaced ILS's in Norway; now i'm unable to find it and i need to know what to do in this case.Yesterday i landed at ENBO rwy 25 and it looked like ILS was misplaced (maybe because of some reliefs around the airport?).So i had to land by hands with a 30knots crosswind.Can anyone please help me?Thanks in advanceLuigi ;-)

>Hi there,>some time ago i'm pretty sure i read a thread on displaced>ILS's in Norway; now i'm unable to find it and i need to know>what to do in this case.>Yesterday i landed at ENBO rwy 25 and it looked like ILS was>misplaced (maybe because of some reliefs around the>airport?).>So i had to land by hands with a 30knots crosswind.>>Can anyone please help me?>>Thanks in advance>>Luigi ;-)>You'd land visually. Use the displaced or offset localizer to fly the approach till you visually pick up the airport, then transition to a visual approach for the final turn and landing.I'd assume the minimums would be higher as well.The approach plate would have the details as to the airport/runway location(s) in relation to that approach.If the winds are unfavorable for that runway, circle around and enter the traffic pattern for a more winds favorable runway, and land on that rwy.Regards.Ernie.

I seriously doubt the ILS is misaligned. I have yet to find one in FS2004 which is wrong when compared to the approach plates from October 2002 - when the approach database was built.Rwy 25 at ENBO includes an ILS with Glide Path set on a true heading of 268 degrees. The runway alignment is 257.8 degrees true - so the ILS is offset by 10 degrees.What is unusual is a glidepath on an offset ILS - most do not.The ILS and GP will bring the aircraft down to a position about 1000 feet from the threshold - that is certainly within the capabilities of most real world pilots.What aircraft were you flying - 30 kts is a pretty high crosswind component - maybe too high for some aircraft.Remember the most critical requirement for an approach to a runway The goal is a successful missed approach - landing is a bonus

>I seriously doubt the ILS is misaligned. I have yet to find>one in FS2004 which is wrong when compared to the approach>plates from October 2002 - when the approach database was>built.Felts Field, here in Spokane, Washington is the only ILS I've found ya that is misaligned. They had the localizer at the opposite end of the runway and allined to the center-line like a standard ILS when the real-world Felts has the localizer to the right of the runway at midfield.>What is unusual is a glidepath on an offset ILS - most do>not.>>The ILS and GP will bring the aircraft down to a position>about 1000 feet from the threshold - that is certainly within>the capabilities of most real world pilots.If it doesn't have a Glideslope then it's not an ILS, it's just a Localizer.>Remember the most critical requirement for an approach to a>runway The goal is a successful missed approach - landing>is a bonusWell put.----------------------------------------------------------------John MorganReal World: KGEG, UND Aerospace Spokane Satillite, Private ASEL 141.2 hrs, 314 landings, 46 inst. apprs.Virtual: MSFS 2004"There is a feeling about an airport that no other piece of ground can have. No matter what the name of the country on whose land it lies, an airport is a place you can see and touch that leads to a reality that can only be thought and felt." - The Bridge Across Forever: A Love Story by Richard Bach

I thought the bonus was being able to fly the airplane again? :)

As the pilot who told me that above also said"The Challenger is a great airplane - it survived all my landings"

Kai Tak (Hong Kong) had both a localiser and a glide slope. However it was called an Instrument Guidance System (IGS) presumably because it required a turn through 48 deg at less than 2nm from touch down at about 600 ft above the runway.

Just FYI, another off set ILS is installed at LOWI, RWY26, the LOC is headed 256

That's for landings, not approaches. :-hah----------------------------------------------------------------John MorganReal World: KGEG, UND Aerospace Spokane Satillite, Private ASEL 141.2 hrs, 314 landings, 46 inst. apprs.Virtual: MSFS 2004"There is a feeling about an airport that no other piece of ground can have. No matter what the name of the country on whose land it lies, an airport is a place you can see and touch that leads to a reality that can only be thought and felt." - The Bridge Across Forever: A Love Story by Richard Bach

Just when I read this, I remembered that my first virtual approach into LSGS (Sion), Rwy 25, confused me, as I had never heard of something like a IGS before. I was a little surprised when I descended smoothly and the runway appeared somewhere else... :-)Cheers, Holger