Bill Griffith

Minor Issues with P2ATC

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The last two day the TERPS selection won't load a approach plate.  I get a PDF symbol though.  The other thing is that when I right click the mouse on any screen (I have two monitors, one for P2ATC and one for the sim.) P2ATC minimizes.  I don't have a joystick button or a key selected for this and in Minimize Setup the Minimize to Task Bar and the Enable selections are not checked.  Minor problem actually but I wouldn't mind correcting them.  :biggrin:

 

Bill

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Bill,

It sounds like you're not getting through on the internet to get the Approach plates.  Have you tried other airports by typing in various Airport codes in the upper left of the TERPs window?  I just tried it and it works fine. 

The Minimize issue sounds like the window is disappearing behind other windows.  Be sure you have the "On Top" button pressed (Green) next to the Connect button.  Also, try pressing the Clear button in the Minimize Joystick Button area in case the Mouse is somehow set as the button but not showing up in the settings area.

Dave

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You are right on my internet connection Dave.  It seems to be up and down at the moment.  I was wrong about the P2ATC screen minimizing.  I have two monitors with P2ATC displayed one and P3D displayed full screen on the other.  What is happening is that when I right click the mouse the P2ATC screen jumps to the P3D monitor.  If P2ATC is set to Always on Top then it is on top of the P3D screen and if not it is behind the P3D screen (My original condition.).  This seems to be a Windows thing but the P2ATC screen is the only screen that does this.  I can open other screens on the second monitor and they stay put when I right click.  Any ideas?

Thank you,

Bill

Edit:  I should add that this only happens when I have P2ATC and P3D running.  If P3D is closed then P2ATC stays put.

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To add to my prior statement, "I should add that this only happens when I have P2ATC and P3D running.  If P3D is closed then P2ATC stays put."  And this only happens if P2ATC and P3D are 'Connected'.  I thought of trying this later and it was the case.  The only Button/Key selection that I have enabled is for the PTT button on my control wheel.  All the others are disabled/cleared.

 

Bill

 

 

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Sounds like it might have to do with running P3D in full screen mode vs Windowed mode.  Try changing modes and see if it still happens.  When in Full screen Mode, P3D tries to control all the screens.

Dave

 

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I tried windowed and full screen modes and setting both monitors to the same resolution and I still had the same results.  But..... after all of this, I set the screens back to my original settings and the problem is gone for now.  :biggrin:  I'm sure that something with Windows was reset or unset and no more screen jumping on right clicks.  

Bill

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Well, it didn't last.  The next flight it back to the jumping back and forth.  I will just live with it. :blink:   I don't often need to right click anyway.  Still loving P2ATC.  :biggrin:

 

Bill

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i found the problem related by Bill . 

the right button of the mouse activate the "arrow" next to the left of COM1 in the bottom section as soon as P2A is connected to the sim (xplane 11 for me) . I cannot find a solution too , and like Bill, nothing is binded in the config section .

I'm on trial and this problem give me headache each time i use the right button , preventing me to enjoy this software . 

If Dave can give a tip to get rid of this function .... 

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To be sure I understand. 

If you right-click anywhere on any screen, P2A shrinks to only show the Comm Area on the bottom and the Info area of the top.  Map and Flight Plan disappear.

Or, does P2A disappear completely?  Or do you have to click on X-Plane or P3D?

More details will help me see what's going on because I cannot make the right mouse do anything in P2A unless I set it as a Joystick Button in P2A.

Thanks,

Dave

PS - In looking into this I have found some bugs and will fix them for the next release.  However, they don't relate to the Right Mouse Button doing anything.

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7 minutes ago, Dave-Pilot2ATC said:

If you right-click anywhere on any screen, P2A shrinks to only show the Comm Area on the bottom and the Info area of the top.  Map and Flight Plan disappear.

Exactly this .... as if right click anywhere , on first monitor ( xplane) or second monitor, activate the button just on the left of COM1 . 

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For me the  P2ATCscreen  jumps to the primary monitor.  The P2ATC screen was hidden behind the sim screen so I though that it had minimized.  When I selected always on top as Dave suggested then I found out what was going on.  When always on top was selected. then the P2ATC screen would jump to the primary monitor on top of the sim screen.  Full screen, not full screen and setting the monitors to the same resolution didn't change things.

 

Bill

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If you both could email me your AppConfig.xml file to admin @ pilot2atc.com, I'll see if I can figure out what setting is causing this strange behavior.

c:\users\<UserName>\AppData\Roaming\P2A_200\Settings\AppConfig.xml

where <UserName> is your PC user name.

Thanks,

Dave

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Will do Dave.  An additional comment, if the Comm screen is open it remains in place when the main P2ATC screen jumps.  I don't know if that is of  any help.

Thank you,

Bill

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Hi Dave,

    I'm sorry to report that I replaced the AppConfig.xml file with the one that you sent and I still had the problem. I feel bad, I was hoping to give you good new.

Best regards,

Bill

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Bill,

Can you try pressing the Minimize button on the main screen to the left of the Active Com window and see if it does the same thing as right-clicking?

If it does, then try moving and sizing the screen back to where you want it and press the button again to see if it stays on the proper monitor.

Thanks

Dave

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like i said in the email, thank you for the AppConfig.xml , it works well now . 

I just want to be offtopic a moment, to ask a question concerning the settings (don't want to open a file for that) :

i would like to display all the frequencies and runways in numbers rather than in letters in the Speech assistant window , to facilitate the lecture and shorten the phrases (ex: runway two four right = runway 2 4 R ) . Is it possible in the settings to change that ? If not could be in the future ? Thx

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Hi Dave,

    I tried a couple of things.  I tried the minimize arrow to the left of the Comm panel and It didn't act the same as the other problem of switching screens.  The P2ATC window did minimize but I had to right click to get it to come back up.  Sometimes the P2ATC screen would come back as a very small rectangle and I would have to expand it back to the size that it had been.  Using the minimize symbol on the upper right side of the P2ATC screen would minimize the P2ATC screen but when I tried to maximize the screen, the P2ATC screen comes up with the main screen blank.  The screen had the Comm panel, call sign/connect box and the Sayit and comm verbiage panel across the bottom and across the top the Time, WPT, Distance, DTK, ETE listing, etc.  At this point I was not able to get the P2ATC screen to come back properly except by closing the program and restarting P2ATC. And then right clicking didn't cause the P2ATC screen to jump back and forth, instead the screen went  from the center being blank, to the center having the proper map.  Different symptom of the problem I'm afraid.  I hope that this isn't too confusing.  I know that I'm confused now.  :biggrin:

Thank for your support efforts Dave.

 

Bill

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Here is the full Pilot2ATC Screen.  Notice the little arrow to the left of the Com area is pointing down.

Mini1.png

If you press the Minimize Key, it should look something like the following.  We'll call this "Minimized Mode".  Notice that the little arrow is now pointing up, indicating that the window is minimized and ready to be restored to Full Screen.

Mini2.png

If you resize or maximize the screen while it is in "Minimized Mode" it will look like the full screen with the Map and Flight Plan Missing, like below:

Mini3.png

To get back to the normal "Full Screen" with map and flight plan showing, just click on the same Minimize Button, that is now pointing up instead of down, and the "Full Screen" will be restored.

The Maximize, Minimize, etc buttons on the top right of the screen are all Windows standard controls and are not implemented by Pilot2ATC but rather by Windows. 

If you have maximized P2A using the Windows Maximize button and then press the Minimize arrow in P2A, you will get the large blank window (3rd image) because Windows prevents P2A from resizing the window.

Hope this helps.

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2 hours ago, richardcrew said:

like i said in the email, thank you for the AppConfig.xml , it works well now . 

I just want to be offtopic a moment, to ask a question concerning the settings (don't want to open a file for that) :

i would like to display all the frequencies and runways in numbers rather than in letters in the Speech assistant window , to facilitate the lecture and shorten the phrases (ex: runway two four right = runway 2 4 R ) . Is it possible in the settings to change that ? If not could be in the future ? Thx

Richard, unfortunately the speech window is used for generating speech as well as for displaying it, so at present it must be in speakable text.

However, if you enable the option "Show ATC Assignments" on the main setup tab in Config, the Assigned Frequency will display below the Com area in white letters so you always know what the assigned frequency is. 

Dave

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1 hour ago, Dave-Pilot2ATC said:

Here is the full Pilot2ATC Screen.  Notice the little arrow to the left of the Com area is pointing down.

Mini1.png

If you press the Minimize Key, it should look something like the following.  We'll call this "Minimized Mode".  Notice that the little arrow is now pointing up, indicating that the window is minimized and ready to be restored to Full Screen.

Mini2.png

If you resize or maximize the screen while it is in "Minimized Mode" it will look like the full screen with the Map and Flight Plan Missing, like below:

Mini3.png

To get back to the normal "Full Screen" with map and flight plan showing, just click on the same Minimize Button, that is now pointing up instead of down, and the "Full Screen" will be restored.

The Maximize, Minimize, etc buttons on the top right of the screen are all Windows standard controls and are not implemented by Pilot2ATC but rather by Windows. 

If you have maximized P2A using the Windows Maximize button and then press the Minimize arrow in P2A, you will get the large blank window (3rd image) because Windows prevents P2A from resizing the window.

Hope this helps.

That definitely explains what I am seeing.  On my system though the 'arrow' never does minimize the P2ATC screen as in the center image above.  The P2ATC screen stays full size with no map until I select the down arrow and the map returns as you stated.  I don't want to cause you to use up anymore time on this and I appreciate your efforts.  The original problem (Jumping back and forth.) isn't a big deal and I can certainly live with it.  It would take a great deal more then that to keep me from using P2ATC.  :biggrin:

Best regards,

Bill

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Bill,

No problem. 

What you need to do when you go into P2A Minimized Mode and the screen goes blank is to pull it off of the top of the screen to get it out of Windows Maximized mode so you can resize it down to the middle picture size.  After that, it should remember that size and position and will go to that when you press the down arrow, unless you have the main window maximized, in which case you get the blank screen again.

So the moral of the story is to get the application out of Windows Maximized mode/state before using the little down arrow.

Also, if we're lucky, the next update might fix the screen jumping.

Dave

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