Hello to all. Does anyone here have FS Force? More specifically, do you use a MSFFB2 joystick? If you have ever experienced frequent loss of forces I’d like to hear from you! Or if you have both the program with the joystick, and have never had any issues, I’d like to hear from you as well. Thanks! 

Edited March 11, 20188 yr by Deltaair1212

I have both FS Force and a MS FFB2 joystick. I have occasionally (very infrequently) experienced a loss of forces but they are quickly restored by using the "ReInitialize FS Force" option from the FSX Add-ons>FS Force drop-down menu. Overall, I couldn't be happier with FS Force - it really transforms the forces in FSX.

This would have probably been better in the Hardware Controllers | Joysticks | Drivers forum unless your query has something specifically to do with Windows 10.

Could a loss of feedback be misinterpreted for loss of lift?  The developer of FS Force has a forum, you can always check that out if you have issues.

1 hour ago, HUSSAR said:

Could a loss of feedback be misinterpreted for loss of lift?  The developer of FS Force has a forum, you can always check that out if you have issues.

It’s no use with the author of FSForce. He believes his program is superior to anything out there and it’s always a joystick malfunction rather than his program. If you comb his forums long enough, you’ll run into some conversations in which he’s literally arguing with his customers. Hell he argued with me on an email thread and after I called him out on his lying, and horrible coding he stopped responding. He has an Avsim account but hasn’t been active in this community since like 2004. I hope that lets you know just how intune he is with modern technology. If you go to the FSForce website it still looks as though the front page hasn’t been changed since FS2004.

2 hours ago, Deltaair1212 said:

It’s no use with the author of FSForce. He believes his program is superior to anything out there

That's probably because it is!

2 hours ago, Deltaair1212 said:

If you comb his forums long enough, you’ll run into some conversations in which he’s literally arguing with his customers. Hell he argued with me on an email thread and after I called him out on his lying, and horrible coding he stopped responding.

But the fact remains that very few of his customers seem to have any issues with the product. Most of those who do appear to have the issues resolved quickly and, usually because of something other than the FS Force executable. Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean that it's "horrible coding". How do you know this? If it really was badly coded everyone would be complaining and that's simply not the case. Because it works for most people but not you, that would seem to indicate that it's more than likely a problem with your sim installation/configuration, a simconnect problem, one of your other add-ons or your system.

2 hours ago, Deltaair1212 said:

He has an Avsim account but hasn’t been active in this community since like 2004. I hope that lets you know just how intune he is with modern technology. If you go to the FSForce website it still looks as though the front page hasn’t been changed since FS2004.

How is this an indicator that he's out of tune with modern technology? Maybe he's not active here because he has his own support forum which, coincidentally, started at the end of 2003 when his product was released.

Edited March 12, 20188 yr by vortex681

16 minutes ago, vortex681 said:

That's probably because it is!

But the fact remains that very few of his customers seem to have any issues with the product. Most of those who do appear to have the issues resolved quickly and, usually because of something other than the FS Force executable. Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean that it's "horrible coding". How do you know this? If it really was badly coded everyone would be complaining and that's simply not the case. Because it works for most people but not you, that would seem to indicate that it's more than likely a problem with your sim installation/configuration, a simconnect problem, one of your other add-ons or your system.

How is this an indicator that he's out of tune with modern technology? Maybe he's not active here because he has his own support forum which, coincidentally, started at the end of 2003 when his product was released.

+1 OP was over the top with his last comment. I have dealt with the DEV on his forum  quickly and efficiently . By the way PMDG are now moving to their own forum as well so clearly its not a bad thing.

Losing forces happens occasionally and it literally takes one second to re set. If OP is losing them every flight then he probably has configured his force settings to extremes and the software is struggling

54 minutes ago, vortex681 said:

That's probably because it is!

But the fact remains that very few of his customers seem to have any issues with the product. Most of those who do appear to have the issues resolved quickly and, usually because of something other than the FS Force executable. Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean that it's "horrible coding". How do you know this? If it really was badly coded everyone would be complaining and that's simply not the case. Because it works for most people but not you, that would seem to indicate that it's more than likely a problem with your sim installation/configuration, a simconnect problem, one of your other add-ons or your system.

How is this an indicator that he's out of tune with modern technology? Maybe he's not active here because he has his own support forum which, coincidentally, started at the end of 2003 when his product was released.

Same issues over two GPU’s, two sims, two FFB2 controllers?  That’s kinda far fetched don’t you think? 

2 minutes ago, Deltaair1212 said:

Same issues over two GPU’s, two sims, two FFB2 controllers?  That’s kinda far fetched don’t you think?

Not really. That's what makes me think that it's something other than just FS Force which is causing your problems. As I said before, if there was something fundamentally wrong with FS Force, we'd all be having problems with it and that doesn't seem to be the case.

The fact remains that if you pay for a product, it needs to work consistently. Not half way. Not 80% of the time. You even said you loose forces sometimes too. Although not as frequently as I do, you still do none the less. That’s not okay. We as PAYING customers shouldn’t have issues with the program at all. I get if a product has a few minor bugs here and there. Nothing is perfect. But forces are something that makes the product. Just like if you buy a car you’d be word not allowed if the engine quit on you at every stop light and you had to restart it. It’s the same principle. Various other have said they loose forces as well. So what does that tell you? We need to come up with a solution. It’s unfortunate I don’t have the help of the dev, but honestly I don’t need his help I’ll figure it out myself. I think I found the cause in DirectX hence the questions I have asked. 

Edited March 12, 20188 yr by Deltaair1212

Just now, Deltaair1212 said:

You even said you loose forces sometimes too. Although not as frequently as I do, you still do none the less. That’s not okay. We as PAYING customers shouldn’t have issues with the program at all.

But, as I said in a reply to one of your other threads, I also frequently lose forces in IL2 and sometimes in X-Plane where FS Force plays no part. It's just a function of force feedback on a PC.