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Rainmaker and -400

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Hi, any news on Rainmaker on the -400? It was due around November 1st.

Thank you!

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Storm Lemmy went through and had to take care of some Virgin rain drops... it will come when it‘s done. 

PMDG never gives release dates... if there was a date mentioned it was a planned estimate, plus/minus a few months. 🙂

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1 hour ago, Ephedrin said:

It will come when it‘s done.  PMDG never gives release dates... if there was a date mentioned it was a planned estimate, plus/minus a few months. 🙂

Thanks for your (unwanted) opinion...

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Just now, jgoggi said:

Thanks for your (unwanted) opinion...

You asked a question. He provided an actual answer that's remarkably accurate. Don't be rude because the answer didn't live up to your expectation. Nobody is going to give you a date, or additional news.

I mean...I guess I could have, but...after that? Nah...

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5 minutes ago, scandinavian13 said:

because the answer didn't live up to your expectation.

It's not that it did not live up to my expectation, because it's not an answer, it's just an opinion. Since the -400 has already been made compatible with Rainmaker and since Robert said that it would come out around Nov. 1st, I thought it should not be such a mistery... 

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20 minutes ago, jgoggi said:

Since the -400 has already been made compatible with Rainmaker

Source?

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"Prepar3D v4.3+ Users

  • PMDG 747-400 Queen of the Skies II Product Update (estimating Build 3.00.9004)
    • PMDG RainMaker Functionality (release for 747-400 expected approximately Nov, 1.)"

 

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3 minutes ago, jgoggi said:

"Prepar3D v4.3+ Users

  • PMDG 747-400 Queen of the Skies II Product Update (estimating Build 3.00.9004)
    • PMDG RainMaker Functionality (release for 747-400 expected approximately Nov, 1.)"

 

None of this indicates "had already been made compatible."

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Sorry, Kyle, but what does "PMDG Rainmaker functionality" (in the update 3.00.9004, being released by Sep. 21) mean?

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10 minutes ago, jgoggi said:

Sorry, Kyle, but what does "PMDG Rainmaker functionality" (in the update 3.00.9004, being released by Sep. 21) mean?

The post you linked is pre-release information, as such, it is predictive...but I'll break it down for you:

Prepar3D v4.3+ Users - For people using P3D4.3 (with implied 4.4-4.9, as appropriate).

PMDG 747-400 Queen of the Skies II Product Update (estimating Build 3.00.9004) - The PMDG 747-400 Queen of the Skies II product, estimated as of Build 3.00.9004. This information being noted as "estimated" indicates that it is not a statement of past work, and indicates an estimate of future status, as of an estimated product build. Same concept as a weather forecast.

PMDG RainMaker Functionality (release for 747-400 expected approximately Nov, 1.) - The above product will receive PMDG RainMaker functionality, subject to the caveat of the estimation referenced in that stanza.

 

Where is the confusion?

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Well, the message written that way is quite clear, Robert was talking about what was about to be released on Sep 22 and about what was expected in that release!

 

"Here is the matrix for what you can expect (implied "in the release coming on Sep 22")

Prepar3D v4.3+ Users

  • PMDG 747-400 Queen of the Skies II Product Update (estimating Build 3.00.9004)
    • PMDG RainMaker Functionality (release for 747-400 expected approximately Nov, 1.)"

 

For me this means that in the build being released around Sep 22 (estimated 3.00.9004), the -400 would have Rainmaker functionality, even if the Rainmaker itself would not yet be present until around Nov.1.

As of today (Nov. 2) we are not only at build 3.00.9004, but even further, at build 3.00.9019, so that functionality is already inside, and it has been since 3.00.9004. 

If this is not true, then that message was not clearly written...

 

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18 minutes ago, jgoggi said:

For me this means that in the build being released around Sep 22 (estimated 3.00.9004), the -400 would have Rainmaker functionality, even if the Rainmaker itself would not yet be present until around Nov.1.

No. You're conflating the expected release announcement of the -8, and the later references to the post-release updates (Nov 1 is, factually, after the expected release of "weekend after September 22" - as such, post-release). I'm not sure how anyone could be linking those two. Nobody ever said "it's already in there, but we're gonna hold off until 01NOV18 just because" - in fact, we said quite the opposite: "(and soon the 747-400 as well)." You linked the two because that was your expectation, so you framed your argument on that assumption because you wanted it to be true.

19 minutes ago, jgoggi said:

As of today (Nov. 2) we are not only at build 3.00.9004, but even further, at build 3.00.9019, so that functionality is already inside, and it has been since 3.00.9004. 

If this is not true, then that message was not clearly written...

No. What it means is that you do not understand the word 'estimate' and 'expect.' To me, it seems clearer that you're reading only what you want to see, and ignoring anything you don't want to see. Which also explains your shot at the person who first responded in this thread: he answered with an answer you didn't like or want, and reacted to him rather negatively. We provided an estimate/expectation (i.e. literal prediction of the future). This does not mean that it has happened, or will happen exactly as predicted.

estimate that I will leave the office at 1500, today. If the clock shows 1600 does this mean that it is a guarantee that I will be out of the office? No. No, it does not. To assume otherwise is incorrect. To assert that my statement of an estimate is unclear is intentionally obtuse and misleading.

I expect that my commute home will take 00:45. If the clock shows 1545 does this mean it is a guarantee that I will be home? No. No, it does not.

 

Thank you for solidifying our stance on not providing you all more frequent, or more specific, updates, however. Any time we provide anything more than vague references, people latch onto it like it's written in stone. Please be sure to phone your local weather bureau, too, if their weather forecast from last night doesn't match what they stated should happen today.

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maan, James,

you've been around avsim with your name in the signature (PMDG requirement only) for 1200 messages, I'm quote sure you know that PMDG has never given any release date promises, discounts for FSX-P3D upgrades and seed for pigeons. You haven't got it for the 1st of November and until now not at the 2nd. 

And honestly, using the words "Storm Lemmy" and "Virgin [Airlines] rain drops" should actually have made it clear that this was so much of a joke. If it didn't get to you as a joke then I'll tell you now, it was one. 

I don't get why you need to argue with Kyle? He won't hand it to you just because you insist 😄 

Please... chill and have fun 😃

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Kyle, in few words please only tell me what this statement means:

PMDG 747-400 Queen of the Skies II Product Update (estimating Build 3.00.9004)

  • PMDG RainMaker Functionality (release for 747-400 expected approximately Nov, 1.)

...if not that v 3.00.9004 will have Rainmaker functionality.... 

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46 minutes ago, jgoggi said:

Kyle, in few words please only tell me what this statement means:

PMDG 747-400 Queen of the Skies II Product Update (estimating Build 3.00.9004)

  • PMDG RainMaker Functionality (release for 747-400 expected approximately Nov, 1.)

...if not that v 3.00.9004 will have Rainmaker functionality.... 

 

DIFFERENT.

There. One word.

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No, it's still NOT clear! I have v 3.00.9019, while ALREADY v 3.00.9004 should have had Rainmaker functionality, right?? So???

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How wonderful. Another 'rude-off' where Kyle gets to compete with the public and see if he can elicit enough of a reaction such that the tone of the conversation deteriorates to the extent that his typical blunt, arrogant and rude style of posting becomes retrospectively justifiable.

It's so unecessary and, frankly, tiring.

Little wonder why I rarely visit the PMDG forums anymore and i regret having done so today.

And yeh yeh, I won't let the door hit me on my way out etc.

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4 minutes ago, Jetset408 said:

How wonderful. Another 'rude-off' where Kyle gets to compete with the public and see if he can elicit enough of a reaction such that the tone of the conversation deteriorates to the extent that his typical blunt, arrogant and rude style of posting becomes retrospectively justifiable.

I think you're being a bit unfair.

It should be obvious to the OP that the feature is not available yet. Poking and prodding over semantics of wording is not going to get it released any sooner and will only generate reactions.

I don't see the need to continue to poke and prod - be like the rest of us and just wait for said feature. Accept the answer and move on. It will come.

Raindrops - it isn't that important in the scheme of things. The next complaint will probably be that they aren't big enough; or too small; or not enough; or too many .......

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2 minutes ago, DavidP said:

think you're being a bit unfair

You are probably right. I just get fed up with seeing it here. Don't get it anywhere else. I just strongly feel that It would have been far easier just to give a polite reply and end the silly thread much earlier and not waste people's time. Anyway, not my forum or rules. I really should just stay out of it... point taken graciously, thank you.

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I just wish we wouldn't get all testy when someone didn't answer a question the way we wanted - sound like someone not in a relationship LOL.

However the only option at this point is to wait for the update.

 

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1 minute ago, Jetset408 said:

I just get fed up with seeing it here

Understand completely 🙂

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maybe dumb questions and even dumber sticking on a several times answered question make everyone lose his poise... No idea actually why Kyle should stay friendly.. because he's a developer? Customer is King? Kings normally are tought some behaviour and understand clear language.. and as it seems that Kyle all the time has to deal with people who obviously don't want to understand a simple "no dates are given" some clearer words are needed.. this thread really should be pushed to the dungeon.. no point at all in keeping that rubbish opened. 

No idea how flight sim developers manage their nerves dealing with people like that all the time.. facepalm.. it's not just PMDG.. Every dev I read the forums of or their FB pages are constantly attacked by these folks... and are still trying to be friendly.. 

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2 hours ago, jgoggi said:

I have v 3.00.9019, while ALREADY v 3.00.9004 should have had Rainmaker functionality, right?? So???

James,

At this point, I'm starting to believe you're being intentionally obtuse.

The post clearly stated that it was anticipated to be in .9004. Anticipated. This means "predicted." Just like any other prediction, it is not guaranteed. Had we said "guaranteed," then it would be a very different story.

So, to answer your question as clearly as I can:

  1. You're incorrect about it being in there - it's not in the 400 yet.
  2. We anticipated a particular version. Despite a later version being out in the public, it is still not in there.
  3. You're incorrectly interpreting the post. There is no grey area here.
1 hour ago, Jetset408 said:

You are probably right. I just get fed up with seeing it here. Don't get it anywhere else. I just strongly feel that It would have been far easier just to give a polite reply and end the silly thread much earlier and not waste people's time. Anyway, not my forum or rules. I really should just stay out of it... point taken graciously, thank you.

Appreciated.

I'd argue that those forums don't have the devs as actively engaged, to be honest.

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Why are we all getting so tense over "Raindrops"? It's the "Bug Splats" I want to see!:biggrin:

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