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In a few hours, i will travel to IAH to pick up my brother and his wife coming from cancun. Unshure about going to the gate though. Would i be held back by customs if i try to access the gate area?Last thing i really want is to be tackled by Border Control and US Customs for trying to get to see that 757.

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Assuming you're talking about the jetway gate where the flight arrives, you cannot get past the main security checkpoint and into the concourses without a boarding pass or paper receipt of some kind.

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It's not customs, it's TSA, but technically speaking no you can't go through to the gate to meet a flight anymore.However...... if you go to the ticket desk and tell them you're meeting someone who, for some reason, has trouble carrying their own carry-on bag, you 'might' (depends on how well you butter up the desk clerk :-) ) get a security document from them that will let you get through screening.Richard

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Are you really suggesting that someone should lie in order to breach airport security?

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i dont think its a big deal if you have no intentions of harming any one.Now if we see osama bin laden walking through an airport, thats one thing, but some one with a camera to meet his family, thats another.

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So if people say they've no intention of harming anyone we let them go anywhere?We might as well not bother with any security - a terrorist would lie too.

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mgh:"Are you really suggesting that someone should lie in order to breach airport security?"Not at all..... when I aid he could tell the ticket agent that he was meeting someone who had trouble carrying their own bag, I assumed it was the truth.

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Really? You actually knew he was meeting someone who couldn't carry their own bag?

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No it's not.The rule was put in place to reduce the number of people passing the security checkpoints, thus reducing the chance of someone slipping past in the crowd.As you might be aware security checks are now stricter (not yet strict enough maybe but stricter) and take more time.That means more stress as there's always someone who checked in at the very last minute and now may not make his flight and starts to scream and swear.If there's several non-passengers for ever passenger (as was often the case in the past in the US) the situation would become so bad it would effectively get completely out of control with waiting times to pass security stretching to hours and queues stretching for miles.At last the US has now introduced after 9/11 the same policy of separating passengers from people with no business airside that the rest of the civilised world has had in effect for decades.And it works. Less crowding at the gates as there are no more families with children and grandchildren seeing off a single passenger, exchanging hugs at the jetway entrance blocking it for everyone else for 5 minutes or more.The boarding process is a lot more effective now, boarding delays are down as are stresslevels.

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>We all know i have no intentions of causing harm, so why>would it be such a big deal?Because that's exactly what people who DO intend harm will claim."Officer, I don't want to hijack an aircraft so there's no reason to not let me take this AK47 on board" comes to mind.

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that would be a bit obvious wouldnt it.Guys, i asked a simple quiestion because i was unshure if i could go to the gate. First time i had flow since 9/11.. :-)

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Yeah Jeroen, guy with camera = terrorist with AK47. I just love your logic. I have gone inside aircraft with my camera, I have gone into flight decks to speak with the pilots... It's really not a big deal as long as you explain yourself. I don't see anyone calling it attempted terrorism and screaming bloody murder when A.net spotters get to walk the airport ramps and take photos... Chase: I've taken photos inside airport terminals, you simply have to ask around to make sure it's OK. The trick is being very polite, CONFIDENT, and not lying. Tell it like it is, be down-to-earth, and be willing to answer any questions they ask. As long as you cooperate and understand what your rights are, don't feel afraid to do these things. If in doubt, ASK. If they say no, comply. It's really that simple. :) If it wasn't possible, you'd never see people with ramp access, no photoreal FS sceneries... So don't be discouraged by the paranoid talk and people wanting to make you feel like you're helping Osama by practicing your hobby or wanting to do something that's perfectly right and straight. This constant paranoia and distrust is EXACTLY what the terrorists wanted to cause.Daniel P.http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpgMember of SJU Photography. [A HREF=http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?userid=9004]Click Here[/A] to view my aircraft photos at JetPhotos.Net!The official psychotic AA painter. :)

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In many states in the US it's perfectly legal to carry a loaded firearm, yet when you're going to the airport you have to leave it behind...Mind you that I'd not mind that ban being lifted, those people would be far more effective (and cheaper) at stopping (or more likely preventing) hijack attempts than a few skymarshalls who are on maybe one flight out of a hundred.There is NO difference. You're trying to enter an area to which access is restricted for those with legitimate business there.It's not about you having a camera, it's about you having no business there.You don't work there, and you're not travelling, therefore you're not allowed to go there.In the past when everyone who wanted to was allowed in the departure area this meant a constant major security breach as there was no way the security staff could keep track of all those people and enact effective security checks on them all.The US has in fact been extremely lucky that noone abused that lack of security to any great degree over the decades, it's been quite different elsewhere.

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True, one of our freedoms is the right to bare arms. But thats in public, from there, if you plan to access any buildings, they can refuse you to enter.I think that if some one is walking around with an .223, its a bit obvious. When was the last time we heard of someone walking through a Major Airport dragging a rifle with them? Go on and try that one, and chances are, you wont make it 10ft through the front door.I highly doubt a terrorist will walk though an airport with their AK47 to make a connection. I can see it now... Houston Police officer approaches terrorist asking, "excuse me sir, may i ask what you are doing with an AK at the airport?" Terrorist responds, "officer, i am making a connecting flight to denver, i wont shoot untill we get up, you have my word"I really dont believe you have to do a scan of someone to sight a rifle... If someone plans to hijack a aircraft, i doubt one of their steps is to walk through a terminal, and board a aircraft, wagging around an AK47. In 9/11, no one brought a gun on board. And if i remember right, citizens have never been allowed to carry on a firearm.So its my believe, that a terrorist dragging a assault rifle through an airport and to board an aircraft is at the same odds as the people movers going beyond the 75ft stretch to relieve people, and to just take them direct to their destination at blazing speeds at the concorde level.:-wave

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There is NO difference.Of course not, Jeroen. I should proceed to hijack a plane using my camera. By your logic, it should be just as effective, seeing as how there's NO difference between a gun and a camera in your eyes. :-roll Get a grip, buddy. You're comparing apples and oranges.You're trying to enter an area to which access is restricted for those with legitimate business there.Yes, I am. And as long as those working there are willing to let me do so, guess what: It's none of your business whether I am trying to do so or not. :) As long as I have permission and approval from those you call "people with legitimate business there", I don't see where you start having a say on what I, or Chase, can or can't do. As long as we're willing to submit to a security and background check to do so, and if those checks satisfy the airport staff, what's it to you? Or are you implying you're in a position to identify threats before the TSA does? ;)It's not about you having a camera, it's about you having no business there.You don't work there, and you're not travelling, therefore you're not allowed to go there.Wow man, you better call up the SJU tower administrator, because I've no business there in your view, yet it's possible to get a security clearance to visit it!!! OMGZ TEH TERR0RIZT!!!!!11 :-lolMy friend, I am sorry, but you started off on the wrong foot. You are arguing under the assumption that the people working there have a problem with us (spotters) being there, which is simply not true for the most part. Usually what happens is ignorant politicians or people who have no scope of what's going on (like you in this case) think that by banning hobbyists and others who are actually vigilant of day-to-day operations they're protecting the airport, when that's simply not so. As a matter of fact, we're an additional set of eyes to spot something unusual, and we're a community that is (for the most part) willing to comply with additional security checks as long as we're allowed to do what we love. I wouldn't mind registering with the airport and doing a background check to be allowed to spot without getting harassed by guards.And let's not kid ourselves... Do you truly think that if a terrorist wanted to get himself inside the terminal he'd go through the screening, paranoia, and widespread idiocy we spotters put up with instead of buying a plane ticket and getting immediate access? :-lol If you're planning a terrorist attack, I doubt buying a cheap-o plane ticket to gain terminal access is that big an obstacle for you.If you're willing to let the government chain you to your desk to make "sure" you're "safe", feel free. Me? I'll still go on with my life as I did yesterday, and I will still pursue my hobby and passion as I always have. Go hide in the basement while I go spotting, because who knows, I might shoot down a plane with my uber-ballistic camera!!!! :-lol Daniel P.http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpgMember of SJU Photography. [A HREF=http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?userid=9004]Click Here[/A] to view my aircraft photos at JetPhotos.Net!The official psychotic AA painter. :)

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>Really? You actually knew he was meeting someone who couldn't>carry their own bag?MGH,Personally I think you should be more concerned with how easy it really can be to get to the gate. Don't pull a defensive move on someone here...there's more things to worry about in life. You wann whine...go whine to the airport ops.Have a great day, and don't let your insecurity give ya a heart attack! :)

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I understood the Moderators here disapprove of personal attacks - I'm far from insecure thanks.

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Donny AKA ShalomarFly 2 ROCKS!!!I worked at KABE for two years, six mponths after 9/11. Any one still can be on the ramp with aproved escort. So, if you know a pilot, or a caterer, mechanic, et cetera, no problem. Contractors have to work at airports all the time, it's less hassle to babysit them than aprove them all.Love the report about a woman missing her flight because her child's name resembled a known terrorist. At the time, her child was 1 years old.Best Regards, Donny:-wave

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