Hi guys

I was going to upgrade my pc with a budget in mind of max £1,500 and I had pretty much decided...

Asus prime mboard

I9 9900k CPU

759w PSU

Rtx 2060 6gb graphics and 2x Rx 580 

16gb ram at 3000mhz

I found a website for bottleneck calcs and it said the PSU is to powerful for the rtx 2060 and would cause bottlenecking.

 

Will this really be an issue for prepar3d?

I know I shouldn't mix Nvidia with AMD but can't stretch the budget to 2* 2060s at the moment and I have already got the Rx 580 on the current pc.

Bottleneck site said....

I7 9700k

With the rx580 would result in a 2% of bottlenecking and CPU with GPU would be a perfect match

 

Any advice as to what's best for smoothness with high / ultra settings?

On the 2060 outs, I have 2 27" monitors set as 1 large screen, and on the rx580 I have an additional 4 displays for the panel windows and FMC on touch screen

 

Cheers

 

 

1 hour ago, ridgeandgable said:

I know I shouldn't mix Nvidia with AMD but can't stretch the budget to 2* 2060s at the moment and I have already got the Rx 580 on the current pc.

Ehm, you should not only not mix them, it is actually not even possible to mix them. Besides the fact that you would need three PCI-E slots, which most of your selected ASUS Prime Z390 mainboards do not even offer... A total nonsense, sorry to say.

Then, if you can not afford two 2060, why not buying a single 2070 instead? SLI is dead and for mediocre GPUs, SLI does not make sense anyway (my personal opinion).

Bottleneck calculators are good to give you an initial idea about what could possibly be bottlenecking, in the end they are as rubbish as many such tools. Using the OPTIONS/SETTINGS menue is the key, you can easily run P3D with a bottleneck lying on your CPU (yes, also with a 9900K) and with other settings, you can easily move the bottleneck to the GPU.

You ask for advice for "best for smoothness with high / ultra settings" on two main screens and four(!) additional screens? Go for the RTX-2080Ti. End of the story...

PS: I would seriously consider reading some guides about hardware etc. And it was a very good decision to come here (or to any other forum) before you actually bought that stuff...

Thanks for the reply..

The Asus prime does in fact come with 3 PCI GPU slots, 16x 8x and 4x not that I require 3 slots anyway.

Again, it's not recommended to run different cards but it is indeed possible as I have on my other system an AMD rx580 and a GTX 980 running together, this pc runs for fsx as it's the old system, no issues at all with graphics and runs perfectly, amd for main screen and nvidia for the panels.

So am I best to stick with the i9 and the rtx or drop down to the i7... At what point does this become overkill on performance?

 

Buying a single card for main screen is good, but I require more screen outputs, although I do have an old Nvidia card lying around that I could use for the panels

38 minutes ago, AnkH said:

Go for the RTX-2080Ti. End of the story...

If money is no issue sure, but op says he's limited, and instead of doing 2x580 get an Rx5700 not the xt which requires less power than 2x580's for a third of the price of a 2080ti

Take a look at this youtube "AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT & RX 5700 Review, New Value Champions!"

 

14 minutes ago, ridgeandgable said:

 At what point does this become overkill on performance?

I will that that meaning that you were joking..... 🙂

Ok, then my info was wrong, I guess using one dedicated card for the 3D program and the other for just displaying 2D content like desktop apps will work. I would still not do it, running two different GPU drivers on the same OS is for sure not the ideal thing for getting most out of the hardware.

Regarding your i7 vs. i9 question: others using those novel CPUs need to jump in here to properly solve this. If you ask me, I would go for the 9700K and invest the "saved" money into a better main GPU, e.g. the 2080 or even the 2080Ti. As a matter of fact, there are still many users of P3D switching off HT or, like me, limiting P3D on the "true" cores only, making basically a processor with HT obsolete. Personally, I use my rig not exclusively for P3D and for my other games, I like to have HT on, that is why I chose the affinity mask variant...

Means: if you use your upgraded rig exclusively for P3D, the 9700K might be indeed the better choice, if you use it for other stuff where HT might be an advantage, go for the 9900K.

@FPStewy Sure, this would be the AMD choice then and would also alleviate any potential issue with having both AMD and nVIDIA drivers installed. The topic starter could also think about selling those two RX580, keep the small nVIDIA card for the sake of monitor outputs and invest the money from the RX580 sale into the RTX-2080Ti...

So could I run the Rx 5700 as my main display and the Rx 580 for my panel display? Running on the i7 9700k?

This is what I've picked

Case
PCS GENESIS G1B CASE + SD CARD READER

Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i9 Eight Core Processor i9-9900K (3.6GHz) 16MB Cache

Motherboard
Gigabyte Z390 UD: ATX, LG1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready

Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3000MHz (2 x 8GB)

Graphics Card
8GB AMD RADEON™ RX 5700 XT - HDMI, DP - DX® 12 (Main Display 2x 27" total at 3840x1080)
8GB AMD RADEON RX 580 (Panal Windows) 3x 1440 x 786

1st Storage Drive
250GB SEAGATE BARRACUDA 2.5" SSD, (upto 560MB/sR | 530MB/sW)
Already have 2tb Barracuda, Must order HDD with this pc for some reason

Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET

Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster MasterLiquid Lite 240 High Performance Liquid Cooler

I'm aiming for High - Ultra settings with hopefully minimum 30fps
Addons I use are

PMDG 737 NGX

Orbix Base
Orbix Scotland
Orbix EU
FSUIPC
MobiFlight
Active Sky

3 hours ago, ridgeandgable said:

This is what I've picked
8GB AMD RADEON™ RX 5700 XT - HDMI, DP - DX® 12 (Main Display 2x 27" total at 3840x1080)
8GB AMD RADEON RX 580 (Panal Windows) 3x 1440 x 786
1st Storage Drive
250GB SEAGATE BARRACUDA 2.5" SSD, (upto 560MB/sR | 530MB/sW)

Did you go under budget ?

There are two things that I would do personally, you're getting a 250Gb SSD is that for P3D ? I would put P3D alone on an M.2 500Gb, I already have 185Gb installed and don't even have true earth yet.

Second I'm going to wait for a fan cooling version for the 5700 card, they will be starting to come out mid-august, save the money from the XT and put that towards an M.2

 

Hi FPStewy

All in it went about £12 under the £1500 budget which wasn't bad. Although since ordering, The shop will clock the I9 upto 4.8 / 5ghz easily they said, they just won't clock the graphics which is fine. I don't have the m.2 yet, but plan on that next week once the PC is ready. The 250gb is just for windows to run, and I have a 2tb 7200 rpm with all other addons that I use. :D Can't wait, just need to fine tune everything next week when it arrives for P3D settings. So any tips, I'm listening?

Hi guys

 

I've been advised by other people to swap the i9 9900k to the AMD Ryzen 9 3900x as its got a better base core at 3.9gzh boosting to around 4.6gzh, also twinned with the AMD RX5700 XT, I would get better frame rates compared to the I9 9900k

I've got 24 hours to change my order before they start building, so does anyone have any views on this? How good will P3D work with AMD CPU?

this is a good question.  Most reviews still seem to favor the 9900k for CPU intensive single thread type gaming.  Not by much, but still.  Will be interested to hear anybody actually using one of these in P3d

8 hours ago, ridgeandgable said:

Hi guys

 

I've been advised by other people to swap the i9 9900k to the AMD Ryzen 9 3900x as its got a better base core at 3.9gzh boosting to around 4.6gzh, also twinned with the AMD RX5700 XT, I would get better frame rates compared to the I9 9900k

I've got 24 hours to change my order before they start building, so does anyone have any views on this? How good will P3D work with AMD CPU?

forget the 4.6ghz boost its in single core load , when run the sim P3D or XP11 it use all cores with the max all core boost approx 4.2ghz

the AMD have better IPC nowdays but suffer in clock speed the 9900k is faster in the sim  and cpu heavy games ( the one that relay on fast core speed = good single tread performance on all cores)

In P3D with the max clock from the 3900x (4.2ghz and 3600 c15 mems) compared to a +5ghz ( all core boost ) 9900k with same mems the diff is approx 20% .

Its all up to you what cpu you favor.

Edited July 28, 20196 yr by westman

Thanks guys... 

I have looked at the rig again, and wonder if I should forget the above and look more towards the I7 7740k instead, like this

I7 7780k (4.2ghz)
X299 UD Gigabyte
16gb Ram
The rest the same

Reason I think it may be better than the i9 is it's higher stock speed at 4.2, the board has 4 GPUs, but 2x 16x mode and 2x 8x mode, only the 2 16x mode I'm bothered about, whereas the i9 is 1 @ 16x and 1 @ 8x

Is the preferred option still the i9? Send GPU isn't running any high performance stuff as its only for running the undocked displays

? 7740k 4core ht 16 pcie lanes not a good Intel CPU , i have x299 apex board run  a 7920x and 7980XE with htoff  both cpus at 5.0ghz i prefer the 9900k even with 2 x 2080ti in sli.

the 7740 is more like a 7700k for x299 mobos it clock worse then a 9900k i dont recomend 7740 at all , 

Thanks, I'll stick with the I9 9900k unless anyone convinces me that the AMD is the way to go. Thanks