I just have to say it is a very windy day here in Connecticut, so I couldn't go flying in real life- I'm definately not ready to handle gusts like we have today! At least not solo...So naturally I fired up FSX while my family is taking a nap to fly some patterns using real world weather.I must so I am EXTREMELY impressed with the improved flight model- This feels amazing! FS9 never felt this close- I've flown on days like this with my instructor and I remember that pit in my stomach when you were bounced and jostled and pointing sideways on your approach- trying to keep the planes attitude stable and jockeying the throttle to stay on the glide path. It's fun in real life but scary! Doing it today in flight simulator really gave me the same feeling- focus on the threshold, and just try to keep the plane level without using too much control. It's really amazing...All in all, I have to say if I had a choice I would rather turn down the graphics in FSX and fly it because of the awesome flight model that have to fly FS9 again. I definately advise people to try a few of the tweaks here to get there framerates up because the improvements are amazing!

Yep a far better sense of speed and flying :-)Andr

As a real life pilot what was totally unacceptable to me about stock FS aircraft was their behavior in pitch - equivalent to a demented yoyo. If they fixed it that would have been a big step forward. I don't have FSX yet but when I get it I sure will check it out but ultimately it is not a deal breaker for me - I am fully pleased with vast majority of payware aircraft.Michael J.http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/for...argo_hauler.gifhttp://sales.hifisim.com/pub-download/asv6-banner-beta.jpg

Same here-and it is much better and stable at least in the Baron.The landing on rails feeling is gone-first time landings have felt remotely real to me in a long time.http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpg

Yup, have to say I agree with you that FSX compares very favourably with my real-world flying experiences in terms of the feel of actually passing through the air, and is a vast improvement on previous FS versions, which always seemed far too stable and inert.For me, all other issues, such as autogen appearance, terrain textures etc come way down on my list of priorities in preference to a believable feel of flight. Not that I don't appreciate a realistic appearance, but I want realistic flight emulation first, and FSX is a winner in this aspect.

Yep, I agree with you guys, they made a good improvement in regards to the feeling and sensation of flight. We're not on an Amtrak train anymore! :)

yep, agree, i love flying the 737-800. the stock aircraft are miles better looking inside and out than FS9. might not even bother installing any add-on aircraft :)

>As a real life pilot what was totally unacceptable to me>about stock FS aircraft was their behavior in pitch ->equivalent to a demented yoyo.Michael: in the Demo, the Learjet still had the ridiculous pitch tendency you're talking about. Don't have FSX yet, so no idea if it's this way in the retail, but I'd bet my house that it is.James

>As a real life pilot what was totally unacceptable to me>about stock FS aircraft was their behavior in pitch ->equivalent to a demented yoyo.Michael: in the Demo, the Learjet still had the ridiculous pitch tendency you're talking about. Don't have FSX yet, so no idea if it's this way in the retail, but I'd bet my house that it is.James

The default do behave better, but aren't perfect. The improvement in the flight model isn't necessarily in the behaviour of the default aircraft, but how the FS engine interacts with it.There will be addon aircraft (payware and free) that can now be made to be FAR more realistic in flight behaviour then they could be for FS9, thanks to the updated flight engine in FSX.James

>>As a real life pilot what was totally unacceptable to me>>about stock FS aircraft was their behavior in pitch ->>equivalent to a demented yoyo.>>Michael: in the Demo, the Learjet still had the ridiculous>pitch tendency you're talking about. Don't have FSX yet, so>no idea if it's this way in the retail, but I'd bet my house>that it is.>>JamesTwo the both of you guys:That was my biggest complaint of previous versions. After playing those I thought flying in real life was easy! And since I haven't flown the FS lear (I like flying planes I fly in real life) I can't comment on that-But I find in the 172 I have to check my altitude indicator about the same as I do in real life- maybe every 30 seconds just to make sure I'm not wandering- but it is MUCH MUCH easier to maintain an altitude while hand flying. I had no problem maintaining 500 FPM climbs/descents while turning. It seems that the nose pitches the same, but like real life you don't just jump up and down 100 feet per second like you did in FS9- it takes some effort. If I'm not paying attention, then yes I will look down in 2 minutes and found I've lost 100 feet, but that is a HUGE difference from FS9 when I found the plane so unstable in pitch that I would have trouble keeping it within 250 feet of my desired altitude. Much of the problem is my CH Yoke is sort of sticky, so it's hard to maintain an exact altitude- but FSX is much better- I find myself doing more hand flying, which is great because the real 172 I fly doesn't have an autopilot! And something about the landings feels way better- putting down the 172 in a 15 knot crosswind is as hard in the game as real life! I found with the old versions of FS that I was able to do things in the sim that I could never do in real life, and this version seems to be much different. I'm not going to analyze exactly what changed since, well, I don't exactly care- but it did! Try flying a single engine and you'll see what we are talking about, it's fantastic.

>As a real life pilot what was totally unacceptable to me>about stock FS aircraft was their behavior in pitch ->equivalent to a demented yoyo. Easy fix though, with an edited air file. I usually have to idle down the sensitivity on many/most planes. I also usually reduce my yoke elevator sensitivity also.I hate the supersensitive pitch control many stock planeshave had in the past. Some of the past version learjetswere that way. I'd have to overhaul the airfile to get a learto feel like a lear instead of a slow FA-18. :( MK