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To FS/Aces Dev Team...why FSX failed me...

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Yes, yes, of course. Additionally, I'm in possession of evidence that the ACES team is responsible for the Lindbergh kidnapping as well.I'll do anything I can to help you in bringing these miscreants to justice. :((sigh)

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"...when I see the sheep saying "it works on my system just fine"So now I am a sheep?? Even if I am, I am still not reducing my settings to make this work on my system. You really should be careful what you write and falsely claim, it just takes all credibility out of your discussion.You guys that come in here and grandstand like this are truly amazing, really you are. Tell me please, what is the difference if MS would have decided a few years back and proceeded to revamp the code so that the simulator would take advantage of Dual Core and Video SLI?? I could only imagine all the others complaining - so now I must go out and buy a Dual Core system and upgrade to SLI???Microsoft did you no wrong developing this version of FS. Do you honestly think they did? duttonhttp://dutton.fsblogger.com/

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Yeah, I have to agree with Dutton here....once you started calling those of us who actually enjoy FSX "sheep", you pretty much shot yourself in the foot. Then the rest of your generalizations buried what was left of your credibility.Also, your claim that the ACES team never shows its face in this forum (only the "MS marketing puppets") is outrageous. Even with how unpleasant and hostile the environment is around here, they STILL have the guts to pop in and participate. Open your eyes and get your facts straight before you criticize these people.I wish you the best of luck wherever you're going with this, but you're definitely not speaking for me.GG

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I'm not jumping for joy over FSX performance either, but you seem to be turning this into a personal crusade to crucify those "responsible". Like, as if that's going to help solve the situation! In fact, all you may do is confirm to Microsoft that they should have kept with their previous policy of no involvement with the FS community, which would be very unfortunate for the rest of us. Let's steer this back towards a cooperative approach with Microsoft rather than the public flogging and stoning approach you are now suggesting.Gary

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo here we go again. :-outta

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Good luck with your crusade, I hope it makes a difference for you. Instead of "taking FSX to heart", why not just take it off your hard drive and look for something that will satisfy your flight sim needs? Really, posts like this are childish and result in nothing productive. Jim

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I despise being called "sheep" also dutton. Some people obviously have nothing better to do than rant about how they know better, can dictate what needs to be fixed and how they can do better, pleeeeeeaaaaassssee I see absolutely nothing in the original post that is constructive to helping get the most out of FSX, just whining/bragging to another person online and being condescending towards the ACES team (and people that are enjoying FSX).Gotta run, got settings I need to dumb down...... Regards, MichaelKDFW

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Well Rob aren't you special, I joined just to reply to you. How disrepectful and pompus can one get? Wait, your a great example. I have noticed your recent posts and read your post in this same forum by Phil Taylor from MSFT, and all I could do was shake my head in shame.You embarrass me. As a user of FS, as a member of Avsim, as a member of the FS community at large you embarrass me. Why would you care about what I have to say? After all I am just a sheep right? Well I could care less what you think of me. But its people like you that hinder progress, its people like you that whine and complain and when leaned on for help, assistance or productive input you are the first to crumble and fade into the corner. Or continue to bang your one drum louder and louder.You feel the need to be pompus and rude concerning your 'view' on FS and the community in general. You have to let eeeeveryone know how you feel, just to fuel your ego. Unfortunately, and I am happy to say this, the community is wising up to people like you, and will scold you for crap like this.This post may get removed or may have myself removed, but I am just glad to see the community fighting back, putting whiny pompus know-it-alls in there place.Have a great day!!Jared

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Rob:I think you might of known the point you wished to convey, unfortunately your delivery is poor. I don't think that addressing members of this community as "sheep" is the way to go and most certainly greatly dimishes the effectiveness of ANY point you might have wished to make. I also doubt that Microsoft would take you seriously when you include 'BS' as a part of your argument.I would hazard a guess that you will find no one willing to jump on this bandwagon with you. At the end of the day, I pray that the powers that be, lock this thread...nothing good can come out of it.

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What's worse is that this is coming from a software engineer.I have 6 software engineers that work for me and you know what? You actually sound like you don't know what you're talking about. Developers can "force" a project manager to go back to the stakeholders and tell them something will cost more and take longer? Are you serious with that comment? Please make me laugh and gag at the same time. That might work in a small company who hangs onto their developers for dear life, but have you ever worked in a large corporate environment on the scale of Microsoft?I assure you, even in a company 20 times smaller, no project manager gets sent back to the stakeholders by his development team to tell them "nope, we can't do it the way you want it". At best, the PM might suggest a longer time horizon and request a larger budget. Any apps development PM who plans to stay employed tries to work within the parameters that his business stakeholders set - that's all part of the software development lifecycle (the business requirements phase). The developers don't call the shots, the business stakeholders do. In a perfect world, perhaps the stakeholders listen to the advice and recommendations of the developers, but usually not enough to override a project plan and budget involving tens of millions of dollars for a flagship software title. Not usually, my friend.And yes, some project managers do have balls Rob, myself included.Hey, while you're busy writing strongly-worded letters, why don't you ask them for a job. Then we can all rest easy knowing that you can assure us a multi-threaded version of FSX next year.Right?GG

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>Tell me please, what is the difference if MS would have>decided a few years back and proceeded to revamp the code so>that the simulator would take advantage of Dual Core and Video>SLI?? I could only imagine all the others complaining - so now>I must go out and buy a Dual Core system and upgrade to>SLI???:-lolYou just can't win as a developer...some people just have to complain no matter what happens, and they're always right. The same people would have been burning up the AVSIM forums screaming that it was costing them $1500 to run their $70 software...not that they don't complain about this now.

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Man, I just got so gooey reading your post GG - so directive, so strong so...mid-level managerial. ******* I'm ready let's go you crazy fool.

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>Man, I just got so gooey reading your post GG - so directive,>so strong so...mid-level managerial. ******* I'm ready let's go>you crazy fool.LOL!Mid-level at its best.

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I suppose we could conduct analysis of program management at ACES, or even throughout MS till the "cows come home", but at the end of the day, it is what it is. Something tells me the management culture (and it sounds like that is what the core of the complaint is) is not going to change (assuming it needs to change) due to anything written on AVSIM.scott s..

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GG thanks for being a good sport I appreciate you having a good sense of humor and thanks for playing along. Best regards for a pleasant weekend.

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>I suppose we could conduct analysis of program management at>ACES, or even throughout MS till the "cows come home", but at>the end of the day, it is what it is. Something tells me the>management culture (and it sounds like that is what the core>of the complaint is) is not going to change (assuming it needs>to change) due to anything written on AVSIM.It's big business - they have shareholders to answer to. Nothing to get upset about or take personally.And it's certainly nothing to write letters about saying, "Oh, my boyhood dream has been defiled with your latest incarnation of FS".But maybe that's just me....

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20/20 hindsight is priceless. But then, I am just a sheep. What do I know. Someone is going to count me tonight anyway.BAAAAAARhettAMD 3700+ (@2.5 ghz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (94.47), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2 GB Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8, WD 250 gig 7200 rpm SATA2, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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Just to add a little perspective, as one who has been called a sheep, a a really excited user and other related tings by Rob - in another venure he has posted that he has a dualcore Pentium 3.9, 2G ( iitc) highspeed ram, dual 7050 SLI vid cards and at least one 42" digital monitor that he runs at 19xx resolution. I won't venture a guess what he spent on that stuff BUT it might explain why he is *SO* pixxed off about FSX not utilizing his hardware - I might get a little ticked too.But it's no excuse for he continual rant - sadly, I too feel he has lost all his credibility and is just inched away from joining my evergrowing twit filter list.Fortunately, an yone with a modicum of sense would put him on the extreme list and not count his opinion at all so he loses again. SadIn a real world, things don't always go the way you like.Just MHO ( as one of the flock ),VicVisit the Virtual Pilot's Centerwww.flightadventures.comhttp://www.hifisim.com/Active Sky V6 Proud SupporterRadar Contact Supporter: http://www.jdtllc.com/

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Rod,I'm sure you would enjoy FSX more if you simply moved your arrogance slider to the left a bit...apparently it is set higher then your system can handle.Good luck.

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My apology for the Sheep comment. It was not intended to be directed at anyone specifically, it was in the generic way Microsoft treat those that purchase their products as being sheep.More specifically their obsurd posts about Multi-CPU and SLI/Crossfire not being beneficial to anyone and other various incorrect, misleading, and simply just wrong technology ramblings that most users of FSX might take as being correct and the truth.Anyway, I apologize to those I offended, my wording and intent could have been done better so I am sorry.As far as the real issues with FSX, reading Phil's post and it's clear to me they are not listening and just providing a vent tube.The newsgroup I was referencing is Microsoft's not AVSIM -- I have never seen a Ace developer/coder post in Microsoft's own news group but I've not seen one post in this site either. Phil's a project manager not a developer. I've seen various dev team members post, but not a single developer/coder that actually worked on the core.Rob.

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>Man, I just got so gooey reading your post GG - so directive,>so strong so...mid-level managerial. ******* I'm ready let's go>you crazy fool.LMAO, thank you Cindy, I needed that laugh! (love the weirdo part also)Regards, MichaelKDFW

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>20/20 hindsight is priceless. But then, I am just a sheep. >What do I know. Someone is going to count me tonight anyway.>BAAAAAA>>RhettHa Ha Ha, too funny!!Regards, MichaelKDFW

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