Anyone notice the SR22 needs a decent amount of nose up to maintain straight and level?  I was cruising along just doing some site seeing, maybe 120 kts or so, and I noticed I needed to hold about 2-2.5 degrees nose up to maintain altitude.  I know the airplane isn't always going to maintain level flight at zero pitch, but it seems a bit exaggerated in the sim.  Some of the other aircraft I've played around with seem to have a similar tendency. 

Most of my real-life flight time was in C172s, and I haven't flown for over 10 years, so it's fair to say I'm rusty, and I've forgotten a lot of what it was like in the cockpit.  I was up in a SR22 with a buddy many years ago, but I don't really remember the actual flight characteristics.  Was a sweet plane, though.

Oh yeah, one other thing not related to the plane, but it's about ATC.  Does it bother anyone else that they always say 'decimal' instead of 'point'.  Like, contact tower on "one two zero decimal 5".  Still, the ATC in MS is way more realistic than what I've experienced in X-plane.

Yes, same thing here. The SR22 flies always nose up in level flight. I noticed 3 degrees nose up at 165 kts at 6000 ft. Thats definitly strange. That behavior seems to result in a too high pitch in the landing flare. It's the same with the Virus and the DA40. I wonder that it's not discussed in the forums.

Here is a good run down of real life Cirrus characteristics (not much about attitude in level flight though) :

https://philip.greenspun.com/flying/cirrus-sr20

 

On 12/5/2020 at 5:20 AM, SpaceForceCapt said:

Oh yeah, one other thing not related to the plane, but it's about ATC.  Does it bother anyone else that they always say 'decimal' instead of 'point'.  Like, contact tower on "one two zero decimal 5".  Still, the ATC in MS is way more realistic than what I've experienced in X-plane.

Decimal is used everywhere in the world except the USA.  In Europe, point, pronounced in regional accents can be confused with other words or lost in bad comms completely (and in some regional accents can sound very similar to one).  In addition, some countries use commas as a delineator rather than a decimal point and so by regulation it  is decimal which is much harder to confuse.  Even in the USA, decimal is used by some ATC.  I believe the only use of point in European ATC is on local ground when instruction to move to a holding point.

And before someone chimes in with flying started in the US it should be our way or the highway..  the First ATC set up was at Croydon Airport in the UK in 1920.  The USA didn't start to get involved in ATC until the mid 20's in a limited way, by which time it was in use all across Europe.

Now not saying it shoulkdn't understand that there are two ways and should adapt to the region being flown in, but I think you will find that is the reason..  same as  niner, tree etc for the numbers.

Graham

 

Edited January 28, 20215 yr by Moria15

On 12/5/2020 at 4:20 PM, SpaceForceCapt said:

 

Oh yeah, one other thing not related to the plane, but it's about ATC.  Does it bother anyone else that they always say 'decimal' instead of 'point'.  Like, contact tower on "one two zero decimal 5".  Still, the ATC in MS is way more realistic than what I've experienced in X-plane.

 

 

Definitely Decimal down here in OZ and in most of South East Asia.

 

Example:

 

 

Edited January 28, 20215 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

@SpaceForceCapt, 2-3 degrees nose up in level flight is typical of the C172 G1000s that I fly. The first time I flew a G1000 was during my instrument training. It always bugged me that I couldn't set a zero pitch reference in level flight. If you are used to traditional analog instruments and set zero pitch reference on the ground, that slight nose up attitude is present too.  The G1000 looks exaggerated because the visual representation of the pitch scale is larger. I'd bet the Cirrus is similar.

On 12/4/2020 at 9:20 PM, SpaceForceCapt said:

Anyone notice the SR22 needs a decent amount of nose up to maintain straight and level?  I was cruising along just doing some site seeing, maybe 120 kts or so, and I noticed I needed to hold about 2-2.5 degrees nose up to maintain altitude.  I know the airplane isn't always going to maintain level flight at zero pitch, but it seems a bit exaggerated in the sim.  Some of the other aircraft I've played around with seem to have a similar tendency. 

Most of my real-life flight time was in C172s, and I haven't flown for over 10 years, so it's fair to say I'm rusty, and I've forgotten a lot of what it was like in the cockpit.  I was up in a SR22 with a buddy many years ago, but I don't really remember the actual flight characteristics.  Was a sweet plane, though.

Oh yeah, one other thing not related to the plane, but it's about ATC.  Does it bother anyone else that they always say 'decimal' instead of 'point'.  Like, contact tower on "one two zero decimal 5".  Still, the ATC in MS is way more realistic than what I've experienced in X-plane.

Have a fair amount of time in the (turbo) SR-22 and do not recall much nose up attitude. Even when landing its just a bit of tug on the sidestick and it greases on. It is not nose heavy at all on the controls either.