A320 NEO Landing ?

[Malc 24]

What has happened ? Just before touch down with the call out retard I close the throttles and the air craft will not touchdown in fact the throttles open and it takes off, I have obviously turned auto pilot off. I have been flying succesfully for months but since the update I have had this problem. It has now become so bad I am unable to enjoy the experience. Has any body else found this has been happening to them with the A320 ? I have tried different approach speeds and flap settings but it always happens. Can this be because ASOBO have tinkered with things ??

[MrFuzzy 2,123]

I flew the default A320 yesterday evening and it was OK.

I do it differently though: I cut the throttle manually at 30-40 ft and that disables the A/T too. I also flare before the voice tells me.

If the throttle increases it means that the A/T is still on and it tries to maintain the speed you have set.

Edited February 19, 2021 by MrFuzzy

[Tom Wright 438]

Yes I also chop the power at about 50 instead of waiting until hearing the 'Retard' call. Otherwise this thing tends to float forever.

[Malc 24]

Thanks fellas, it's just that prior to the recent ASOBO upgrade I never had this problem. Ok I will try cutting the throttle early but to be honest that is not how it should be, I want the experience to be as life like as possible. I mean can you imagine a real pilot ignoring the call outs..

[Malc 24]

3 hours ago, Tom Wright said:

Yes I also chop the power at about 50 instead of waiting until hearing the 'Retard' call. Otherwise this thing tends to float forever.

Thing there Tom is that maybe I should keep the approach speed lower and maybe that would have a better effect on landing. Can you advise what touch down speed you use ? I usually use around 138. Can you go low as 130 or less even ? I realise a lot depends on weight but I am usually light as I put my fuel on a low setting as my trips are normally less than 300 miles.

[Zimmerbz 168]

6 hours ago, Malc said:

What has happened ? Just before touch down with the call out retard I close the throttles and the air craft will not touchdown in fact the throttles open and it takes off, I have obviously turned auto pilot off. I have been flying succesfully for months but since the update I have had this problem. It has now become so bad I am unable to enjoy the experience. Has any body else found this has been happening to them with the A320 ? I have tried different approach speeds and flap settings but it always happens. Can this be because ASOBO have tinkered with things ??

Are you using the FBW mod?  They fixed the issue apparently and I had no issues landing with their latest dev version. 

[MrFuzzy 2,123]

26 minutes ago, Malc said:

Thing there Tom is that maybe I should keep the approach speed lower and maybe that would have a better effect on landing. Can you advise what touch down speed you use ? I usually use around 138. Can you go low as 130 or less even ? I realise a lot depends on weight but I am usually light as I put my fuel on a low setting as my trips are normally less than 300 miles.

It depends on your weight, wind and its direction. You can use this to calculate the optimal approach speed simFMS | Approach speed & Descent profile calculator for flightsim (housemouse-s.github.io)

[WestAir 2,530]

As an aside, there are times where your speed gets too low and the aircraft will automatically go to TOGA power and lock in TOGA for a certain amount of time, no matter what position your autothrottle / levers are in. This used to happen to me in the landing challenges where I'll try to butter the landing by floating to the marker and at a certain airspeed, regardless of the fact that I was 1 foot off the ground, I'd enter Alpha Floor and be forced to go around / fail the challenge, lol.

[Tom Wright 438]

1 hour ago, Malc said:

Thing there Tom is that maybe I should keep the approach speed lower and maybe that would have a better effect on landing. Can you advise what touch down speed you use ? I usually use around 138. Can you go low as 130 or less even ? I realise a lot depends on weight but I am usually light as I put my fuel on a low setting as my trips are normally less than 300 miles.

I usually slow right down to VAPP that is calculated on the approach page in the MCDU. This probably isn't that accurate though given that FBW haven't fully implemented the vertical performance stuff yet. It's usually somewhere in the region of 130-135kts. It's always going to float though, annoying but just the way it is at the moment I think. Ground effect is quite overdone generally in the sim right now IMO. If I manage to touch down by the last set of chevrons I'm doing well, thankfully the brakes are good! 🤣

Edited February 19, 2021 by Tom Wright

[Mike S KPDX 598]

1 hour ago, Malc said:

Thanks fellas, it's just that prior to the recent ASOBO upgrade I never had this problem. Ok I will try cutting the throttle early but to be honest that is not how it should be, I want the experience to be as life like as possible. I mean can you imagine a real pilot ignoring the call outs..

Actually, this is how it should be.  If you wait for the retard call, you will float.

go here:  http://www.airbusdriver.net/airbusnotes.pdf

read page: 112

[Malc 24]

22 hours ago, MrFuzzy said:

I flew the default A320 yesterday evening and it was OK.

I do it differently though: I cut the throttle manually at 30-40 ft and that disables the A/T too. I also flare before the voice tells me.

If the throttle increases it means that the A/T is still on and it tries to maintain the speed you have set.

Previously the auto throttle disengaged when auto pilot was switched off and the speed held until retard. If I disconnect AT the speed hold does hold on ( until retard as it used to ) so that cannot be realistic IMO. I have been practising at touchdown speed 130 flaps 3 and it still floats. Not realistic at all. I have been informed that ASBO have altered the wind ground affects which makes sense but it's not realistic now.

[Malc 24]

17 hours ago, Mike S KPDX said:

Actually, this is how it should be.  If you wait for the retard call, you will float.

go here:  http://www.airbusdriver.net/airbusnotes.pdf

read page: 112

But when you see real life videos the pilots do not retard "early " anyway many thanks for you input. malc

[MrFuzzy 2,123]

5 hours ago, Malc said:

Previously the auto throttle disengaged when auto pilot was switched off and the speed held until retard. If I disconnect AT the speed hold does hold on ( until retard as it used to ) so that cannot be realistic IMO. I have been practising at touchdown speed 130 flaps 3 and it still floats. Not realistic at all. I have been informed that ASBO have altered the wind ground affects which makes sense but it's not realistic now.

I don't disconnect the A/T, I press F1 on the keyboard in order to set the throttle at zero. The A/T disengages, then I flare, the speed drops quickly to about 120 knots and the plane lands. 

I used the A320 today too and it behaved OK.