@harpsi, I agree but I’ve never suggested you run at a lower resolution. You just have to decide on a suitable monitor that provides 30Hz at 3840*2160.

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@harpsi, I agree but I’ve never suggested you run at a lower resolution. You just have to decide on a suitable monitor that provides 30Hz at 3840*2160.

OK, I was searching for 4K (3840 x 2160) and refresh rate locked to 60 Hz. I didn't find any monitor, at least by Asus, MSI, LG or Samsung... Something should be wrong on my search. 😞 

I have these ones but all of them are freesync...

>>> Samsung UE590 28" TN 4K UHD 16:9 60Hz FreeSync

>>> LG 27UL550-W IPS 27" 4K UHD 16:9 60Hz FreeSync

>>> Asus TUF Gaming VG289Q 28" LED IPS UltraHD 4K HDR FreeSync

>>> ASUS VP28UQGL 28'' 4K Ultra HD 1 ms FreeSync

In the meantime I was seeing those OLED... They are very big, like TVs, and all of them cost more than 2000 euros...

 

Edited April 25, 20215 yr by harpsi

@harpsi, this BenQ supports 60Hz and also 30Hz. Is 399 Euros too much?

https://www.benq.eu/en-uk/monitor/entertainment/ew3270u/specifications.html

You're not going to find a quality monitor much cheaper than that.

This Samsung also supports 60Hz and 30Hz although you won't be able to take advantage of FreeSync with an Nvidia card.

https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/high-resolution/uj59-32-inch-uhd-4k-lu32j590uqrxxu/

40 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@harpsi, this BenQ supports 60Hz and also 30Hz. Is 399 Euros too much?

https://www.benq.eu/en-uk/monitor/entertainment/ew3270u/specifications.html

You're not going to find a quality monitor much cheaper than that.

This Samsung also supports 60Hz and 30Hz although you won't be able to take advantage of FreeSync with an Nvidia card.

https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/high-resolution/uj59-32-inch-uhd-4k-lu32j590uqrxxu/

399 pounds is not too much, altough it comes from benQ which I don't know. If you can find something a little bit more expensive, like 500-600 euros but from Asus, MSI, LG, Samsung or similar, I would appreciate. And in this monitor there is no mention to be G-Sync as well. Where can I find it?

What means "I can not take advantage of FreeSync with an Nvidia card"? It means I can't use freesync monitors at all? Please, explain if you don't mind because I am new on this subject.

And another question: My card supports 3840x2160, maybe 8k. What happens if I choose a monitor with 2560x1440? Do I need to choose any special option after getting MSFS? 

Thanks.

Edited April 25, 20215 yr by harpsi

@harpsi, you're doing the right thing by asking questions before you buy. So just to confirm your requirements you want to spend no more than 600 Euros, you want a 4K (UHD) monitor which means the aspect ratio has to be 16:9. You can't go for the ultra-wide displays as those are 1440 vertical resolution, not 2160 of the UHD ones,

Freesync is AMD's answer to Nvidia's GSync. The two are not compatible so you can't GSync with an AMD card and you cannot use Freesync with an Nvidia card. But my BenQ monitor doesn't have either and I don't consider than a problem.

GSync / Freesync allow for variable refresh rates so you can have 30, 35, 38, 43 etc. But monitors without it means you're tied to what the monitor can deliver. 60Hz always but the better ones will allow 30Hz. Those cost more and are generally better monitors with height-adjustable stands, IPS displays and extra USB ports.

Your 3090 is very powerful and if you choose a 2560*1440 monitor it doesn't have to work as hard to give you great results but the 3090 is so powerful that won't be a problem if you want to go to 4K. The extra sharpness especially with cockpit instruments is where 4K scores.

The one rule you must observe is always run the monitor at its native resolution. So always use 3840*2160 with a 4K. Never select a lower resolution as it compromises image quality a lot.

Here's a possible Samsung. https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/high-resolution/tu87f-32-inch-uhd-4k-thunderbolt-lf32tu870vrxxu/ It supports 30Hz using a Display Port plug but it's a Freesync monitor so can't use GSync. But that's not essential.

29 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@harpsi, you're doing the right thing by asking questions before you buy. So just to confirm your requirements you want to spend no more than 600 Euros, you want a 4K (UHD) monitor which means the aspect ratio has to be 16:9. You can't go for the ultra-wide displays as those are 1440 vertical resolution, not 2160 of the UHD ones,

Freesync is AMD's answer to Nvidia's GSync. The two are not compatible so you can't GSync with an AMD card and you cannot use Freesync with an Nvidia card. But my BenQ monitor doesn't have either and I don't consider than a problem.

GSync / Freesync allow for variable refresh rates so you can have 30, 35, 38, 43 etc. But monitors without it means you're tied to what the monitor can deliver. 60Hz always but the better ones will allow 30Hz. Those cost more and are generally better monitors with height-adjustable stands, IPS displays and extra USB ports.

Your 3090 is very powerful and if you choose a 2560*1440 monitor it doesn't have to work as hard to give you great results but the 3090 is so powerful that won't be a problem if you want to go to 4K. The extra sharpness especially with cockpit instruments is where 4K scores.

The one rule you must observe is always run the monitor at its native resolution. So always use 3840*2160 with a 4K. Never select a lower resolution as it compromises image quality a lot.

Here's a possible Samsung. https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/high-resolution/tu87f-32-inch-uhd-4k-thunderbolt-lf32tu870vrxxu/ It supports 30Hz using a Display Port plug but it's a Freesync monitor so can't use GSync. But that's not essential.

Sorry, this is a little bit confusing. Monitors were never a problem with other FS versions because you didn't have 4k at all (I think...)

So, question by question:

"Freesync is AMD's answer to Nvidia's GSync. The two are not compatible so you can't GSync with an AMD card and you cannot use Freesync with an Nvidia card. But my BenQ monitor doesn't have either and I don't consider than a problem."

>>> OK, I have Asus RTX 3090, so, freesync monitors are completely out of question, right? If yes, I can eliminate all of them.

>>> Your monitor is G-Sync of Freesync? Or there is a third possibility whose name is ...? I cannot find it.

>>> I also found V-Sync... Confusion starts again...

"GSync / Freesync allow for variable refresh rates so you can have 30, 35, 38, 43 etc."

>>> So, does it mean that I need to choose a monitor with fixed refresh rate? If yes, then why 30 Hz? It is less than the monitor I have now. 

"60Hz always but the better ones will allow 30Hz. Those cost more and are generally better monitors with height-adjustable stands, IPS displays and extra USB ports."

>>> Ok, better 60 Hz but I will pay much more, correct? Height adjustable stands and IPS displays? Don't know what those features are...

"Your 3090 is very powerful and if you choose a 2560*1440 monitor it doesn't have to work as hard to give you great results but the 3090 is so powerful that won't be a problem if you want to go to 4K. The extra sharpness especially with cockpit instruments is where 4K scores."

>>> So, my monitor needs a resolution of 3840x2160, correct? And I need to set FS for 4k as well, right?

>>> Let's suppose that with 4K with all "thousand" addons with almost all settings at 100 %, like ORBX, FlyTampa, PMDG, and so on, I just get 10 FPS, I probably need to set a lower resolution, right? In the monitor and also inside MSFS so that both two match each other?

"Here's a possible Samsung. https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/high-resolution/tu87f-32-inch-uhd-4k-thunderbolt-lf32tu870vrxxu/ It supports 30Hz using a Display Port plug but it's a Freesync monitor so can't use GSync. But that's not essential."

>>> Now, I am confused. I cannot use a Freesync monitor but you mentioned a freesync monitor... With those specs I found lots of them, but you said before that I could not buy any... 

>>> This Samsung monitor also has Thunderbolt. Do I need this feature? For what purpose? 

NOTE: Just to inform you, I am choosing all the parts. I didn't decide yet if the processor will be i9-10900K or Ryzen 9 5900X, but for sure it will be one of them. The only part I will have during this week is the videocard because it was the most difficult to thing. I waited some months to get it.

Edited April 25, 20215 yr by harpsi

45 minutes ago, harpsi said:

OK, I have Asus RTX 3090, so, freesync monitors are completely out of question, right? If yes, I can eliminate all of them.

No they’re not. They will function correctly without using the Freesync feature.

46 minutes ago, harpsi said:

Your monitor is G-Sync of Freesync? Or there is a third possibility whose name is ...? I cannot find it.

My BenQ has neither. Those are the only two systems for variable refresh rates.

47 minutes ago, harpsi said:

So, does it mean that I need to choose a monitor with fixed refresh rate? If yes, then why 30 Hz? It is less than the monitor I have now.

I don’t consider not having freesync/gsync a problem. It just means I can only set my refresh rate to those allowed by the monitor. 30Hz or 60Hz. 30 is fine for flying but it’s a personal choice. 60Hz means the COU and GPU cannot deliver 69fos at busy airports so I would get stuttering.

49 minutes ago, harpsi said:

Ok, better 60 Hz but I will pay much more, correct? Height adjustable stands and IPS displays? Don't know what those features are...

60Hz is only better if you can get 60fps flying around Central London. Can you? If you can’t then you’ll get stutters as you’re demanding more than the graphics card can deliver. Height adjustable means the monitor can be moved up and down the stand. IPS is the highest quality of display. See here for why. https://www.howtogeek.com/658701/tn-vs.-ips-vs.-va-whats-the-best-display-panel-technology/

53 minutes ago, harpsi said:

So, my monitor needs a resolution of 3840x2160, correct? And I need to set FS for 4k as well, right?

Yes.

53 minutes ago, harpsi said:

Let's suppose that with 4K with all "thousand" addons with almost all settings at 100 %, like ORBX, FlyTampa, PMDG, and so on, I just get 10 FPS, I probably need to set a lower resolution, right? In the monitor and also inside MSFS so that both two match each other?

No, the resolution must remain the same. Lower your settings. But there are different settings in MSFS that are different to P3D. I can’t help there as I don’t have it.

55 minutes ago, harpsi said:

Now, I am confused. I cannot use a Freesync monitor but you mentioned a freesync monitor... With those specs I found lots of them, but you said before that I could not buy any... 

You can use a freesync monitor. You just can’t use the freesync feature.

57 minutes ago, harpsi said:

This Samsung monitor also has Thunderbolt. Do I need this feature? For what purpose? 

Google it. I really don’t know what it does.

57 minutes ago, harpsi said:

Just to inform you, I am choosing all the parts. I didn't decide yet if the processor will be i9-10900K or Ryzen 9 5900X, but for sure it will be one of them. The only part I will have during this week is the videocard because it was the most difficult to thing. I waited some months to get it.

I only ever had Intel processors. Both sound very good. You might be best starting a new topic if you want advice on which is best for MSFS.

I generally only recommend monitors I’ve used which is why I would point you to BenQ who make very good monitors.

1. "No they’re not. They will function correctly without using the Freesync feature."

>>> So, I just cannot use the Freesync feature which is... (OK, I have to find out)

2. "My BenQ has neither. Those are the only two systems for variable refresh rates."

>>> So, from this sentence I believe there is another option which is fixed refresh rates, right? (Variable refresh rates = G-Sync or Freesync + non-variable/fixed refresh rates)

3. "I don’t consider not having freesync/gsync a problem. It just means I can only set my refresh rate to those allowed by the monitor. 30Hz or 60Hz. 30 is fine for flying but it’s a personal choice. 60Hz means the COU and GPU cannot deliver 69fos at busy airports so I would get stuttering."

>>> Does it mean that I would need to set MSFS FPS to 60 instead of unlimited and that I would never get more than 60 fps in any situation? Well, 60 fps even in non-busy airports is acceptable. I have read that more than 17 fps the human eye cannot distinguish. Is it correct? Of course from 20 to 24 fps the image some how stops in busy airports. So, if I can get 30 fps in busy airports with busy AI traffic that's fine.  

4. "60Hz is only better if you can get 60fps flying around Central London. Can you? If you can’t then you’ll get stutters as you’re demanding more than the graphics card can deliver. Height adjustable means the monitor can be moved up and down the stand. IPS is the highest quality of display. See here for why. https://www.howtogeek.com/658701/tn-vs.-ips-vs.-va-whats-the-best-display-panel-technology/"

>>> I am confused... In the previous sentence we were analysing more fps than CPU/GPU can demand due to this 60 Hz monitor. Now we are saying that I will get much less. 

5. "No, the resolution must remain the same. Lower your settings. But there are different settings in MSFS that are different to P3D. I can’t help there as I don’t have it."

>>> Lower settings? I prefer to play in 2K with all settings at 100 % than to play in 4K with settings at 50 %. Remember that when the busy addons and AI traffic or volumetric clouds are coming is when MSFS gets interesting. Clouds with low resolution or AI traffic set to 5 % means a boring MSFS. Yes, I like very much all the surroundings, sceneries, pushback trucks, and all those extra features. Not only flying with the most complexed panel where you need 10 hours to read all the manuals first... Solution? By the way, I never had p3d installed. My last simulator was FSX.

CONCLUSION:

It seems that I will need to waste more money on a monitor. 😒

Thanks.

 

Is this video the right answer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKCaVtn3tRs

 

Edited April 25, 20215 yr by harpsi

1 hour ago, harpsi said:

So, from this sentence I believe there is another option which is fixed refresh rates, right? (Variable refresh rates = G-Sync or Freesync + non-variable/fixed refresh rates)

Correct.

1 hour ago, harpsi said:

Does it mean that I would need to set MSFS FPS to 60 instead of unlimited and that I would never get more than 60 fps in any situation? Well, 60 fps even in non-busy airports is acceptable. I have read that more than 17 fps the human eye cannot distinguish. Is it correct? Of course from 20 to 24 fps the image some how stops in busy airports. So, if I can get 30 fps in busy airports with busy AI traffic that's fine.  

I can’t say as I don’t have it but usually you set VSync in the sim and the fps are locked to the refresh rate of the monitor. I have two choices - 30Hz or 60Hz. I choose 30.

I find under 25 will not appear smooth. Blu-Ray DVDs run at 24Hz.

You need to test at a busy airport. Get 30 there and you’ll get 30 everywhere.

1 hour ago, harpsi said:

Lower settings? I prefer to play in 2K with all settings at 100 % than to play in 4K with settings at 50 %. Remember that when the busy addons and AI traffic or volumetric clouds are coming is when MSFS gets interesting. Clouds with low resolution or AI traffic set to 5 % means a boring MSFS. Yes, I like very much all the surroundings, sceneries, pushback trucks, and all those extra features. Not only flying with the most complexed panel where you need 10 hours to read all the manuals first... Solution? By the way, I never had p3d installed. My last simulator was FSX.

Then buy a lower resolution monitor. 2560*1440 will give you better performance but less sharp images. You need to ask people who have MSFS and fly in 4K. I can’t advise about that, sorry.

9 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Correct.

I can’t say as I don’t have it but usually you set VSync in the sim and the fps are locked to the refresh rate of the monitor. I have two choices - 30Hz or 60Hz. I choose 30.

I find under 25 will not appear smooth. Blu-Ray DVDs run at 24Hz.

You need to test at a busy airport. Get 30 there and you’ll get 30 everywhere.

Then buy a lower resolution monitor. 2560*1440 will give you better performance but less sharp images. You need to ask people who have MSFS and fly in 4K. I can’t advise about that, sorry.

"Then buy a lower resolution monitor. 2560*1440 will give you better performance but less sharp images. You need to ask people who have MSFS and fly in 4K. I can’t advise about that, sorry."

>>> What is the most common resolution people usually fly?

>>> Flying with 2560x1440 is not a problem with such a videocard, correct? I understood that since the card goes to 4K, I should fly in 4K as well.

48 minutes ago, harpsi said:

What is the most common resolution people usually fly?

>>> Flying with 2560x1440 is not a problem with such a videocard, correct? I understood that since the card goes to 4K, I should fly in 4K as well.

I really don’t know the answer to the first question. Possibly 2560*1440 but most people don’t have the world’s most powerful graphics card.

There’s no such thing as a graphics card “going to 4K”. Monitors determine resolution but you need a powerful graphics card too. But given I can run P3D in 4K with a 1080Ti shows many cards can deliver 4K if you use sensible settings.

The 3090 is the best card. Buy a 4K monitor and you won’t be disappointed.

3 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I really don’t know the answer to the first question. Possibly 2560*1440 but most people don’t have the world’s most powerful graphics card.

There’s no such thing as a graphics card “going to 4K”. Monitors determine resolution but you need a powerful graphics card too. But given I can run P3D in 4K with a 1080Ti shows many cards can deliver 4K if you use sensible settings.

The 3090 is the best card. Buy a 4K monitor and you won’t be disappointed.

Thanks.

Maybe I will see some 2K monitors as well.

All the 4K compatible monitors for this GPU with a non-fixed refresh rate and even the freesync ones are really expensive. There is a list on NVidia website.

Maybe I can fly in a 2K resolution and in 1 or 2 years, with more budget, I can upgrade to 4K. Of course I will not take all the profit of such a GPU but MSFS will stay for a long time and I hope my GPU as well. 😉

@harpsi, choose well and a good monitor will last longer than the 3090. It’s a long-term investment which is why you shouldn’t scrimp on one. I love my BenQ and have recommended it several times.

Think carefully about 2K. It’s like buying an Aston Martin and running it in second gear. You wouldn’t be using the power of your 3090.

On 4/25/2021 at 6:44 PM, Ray Proudfoot said:

@harpsi, choose well and a good monitor will last longer than the 3090. It’s a long-term investment which is why you shouldn’t scrimp on one. I love my BenQ and have recommended it several times.

Think carefully about 2K. It’s like buying an Aston Martin and running it in second gear. You wouldn’t be using the power of your 3090.

Hi again...

I cannot find 4K monitors from names that I trust more (like Asus, Samsung or LG) which are G-Sync or G-Sync compatible, with variable refresh rate (I also need the computer for other things like video editing), and resonable price. I started to think in 2K monitors, also because if I get low frame rate, it is better to play in 2K that to have lower FS settings which so much detailed addons that I always like to have. 

Can you take a look to this ones and give your opinion?

1. https://www.globaldata.pt/monitor-lg-27-27gn800-b-144hz-ips-qhd-g-sync-1ms-27gn800-b

2. https://www.pccomponentes.pt/asus-rog-strix-xg27aq-27-led-ips-wqhd-170hz-g-sync-compatible?gclid=Cj0KCQjwyZmEBhCpARIsALIzmnLDMX3JxewkV2vnyJR2cLF2Ifwc_2wuzXDH7TJfQDuLkibjJni5YW8aAst0EALw_wcB

3. https://www.pccomponentes.pt/asus-tuf-gaming-vg27aq1a-27-led-ips-wqhd-170hz-g-sync-compatible

4. https://www.pccomponentes.pt/lg-32gk650f-b-315-led-quadhd-144hz-freesync?utm_source=kuantokusta

Be aware that this monitor issue is something new and I don't have enough knowledge, but it seems they are 2K, without fixed refresh rate, and all G-Sync or G-Sync compatible according to the link below:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/g-sync-monitors/specs/

Edited April 26, 20215 yr by harpsi

@harpsi, you’ve started another topic and had advice from people who use MSFS in 4K. I don’t. You should discuss this with them as they can give you better advice.

Those websites are in Portuguese so trying to work out what is best is very difficult. I’ve recommended BenQ to you but you don’t seem to want to take that advice. Hopefully those in the other topic will advise you.

It really isn’t hard to learn about GSync and Freesync and the different types of monitor screens. Google is your friend.