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I installed it to use with TrackerIR and as soon as I went to external view (spot plane) it immediately went to top down and I couldn't get it to do anything else.Had to go to window mode then close JAB.Tried several times with same result.Ron

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Startup sequence is JAB_FSX, TrackIR, FSX. It is necessary to start JAB_FSX before TrackIR.

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All you need to do is to 'Pause' Trackir to disable it in 'spot' view. Then you can use your 'hat' switch or other as normal.

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>>All you need to do is to 'Pause' Trackir to disable it in>>'spot' view. Then you can use your 'hat' switch or other as>>normal.>>Thanks for the tip ! It is EXACTLY what my program does>automatically for you :-)>Jacky, I and others appreciate what you have done but clicking a 'mouse wheel' down is hardly hard work now is it?

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Jacky, thanks! Great utility :D I knew it could be done, even though Vincent over at NP kept saying there was no way to do it every time someone asked.I have a problem though, mostly I fly the RealAir SF.260 in the left-seat VC and when I cycle thru the views, it jumps to the right seat and I'm stuck there - can't get back to the left seat, or outside, or any other view.With the default planes, it works fine. I think the problem is because the SF.260 has two VC views. Any idea how to get it working with the SF.260?DH

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While I would't call it hard work, it is annoying to have to do compared to having to using TrackIR in FS9. Personally, I would have preferred Natural Point to listen to us customers and give us the option to have track IR used in non-VC views, but nothing has eventuated so far. So thanks from me too Jacky!Gary

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I just programmed a rocker switch on the yoke for F9/F12. Just a quick thumb movement and TrackIR is paused. It would seem a lot easier to do than having TrackIR make a non trrivial change in their code. I realize that some people have all their extra switches programmed for other things and that's where Jacky's program will be a benefit.Just MHO,VicVisit the Virtual Pilot's Centerwww.flightadventures.comhttp://www.hifisim.com/Active Sky V6 Proud SupporterRadar Contact Supporter: http://www.jdtllc.com/

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>Jacky, thanks! Great utility :D I knew it could be done,>even though Vincent over at NP kept saying there was no way to>do it every time someone asked.>>I have a problem though, mostly I fly the RealAir SF.260 in>the left-seat VC and when I cycle thru the views, it jumps to>the right seat and I'm stuck there - can't get back to the>left seat, or outside, or any other view.>>With the default planes, it works fine. I think the problem>is because the SF.260 has two VC views. Any idea how>to get it working with the SF.260?>>DHHi Harry,My program only gets warned by SimConnect.dll (the Microsoft interface with FSX) when the view changes to or from virtual cockpit. When it gets the signal, it sends F9 key to Track-IR.If you can make FSX tell "I am in virtual cockpit view" when in the right seat ... my program will do just fine what youwant.Sorry, I have no mean to proceed without this signal.A+Jacky (I hope that you understand my frenglish)

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>>I just programmed a rocker switch on the yoke for F9/F12. Just>a quick thumb movement and TrackIR is paused. It would seem a>lot easier to do than having TrackIR make a non trrivial>change in their code. >>I realize that some people have all their extra switches>programmed for other things and that's where Jacky's program>will be a benefit.>>Just MHO,>>Vic>>Visit the Virtual Pilot's Center>www.flightadventures.com>>http://www.hifisim.com/>Active Sky V6 Proud Supporter>Radar Contact Supporter: http://www.jdtllc.com/Hi Vic,I am just amazed : Why do you believe that I "make a non trivialchange in their code" ?My program connects to FSX using the Microsoft provided interface and request for an event to be sent when the use changes from or to VC. When it receives this event, it sends a F9 key to Track-IR in order to make it pause / unpause. It is a small and trivial piece ofcode, not complicated at all.I would prefer NaturalPoint to do it inside their software, but,as this didn't come, I made it myself. Be quiet, I do not change anything in your Track-IR software nor in FSX.A+Jacky

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Jacky, I think what Vic was getting at is that a lot people are wanting NaturalPoint to make the change in the TrackIR code, and that it would be a major change - he wasn't saying that you changed the TIR code.Thanks for the ideas about getting it working with the SF.260, I'll see if I can come up with something.Vic, as Jacky points out the change would be very minor for NP to make - I've always suspected SimConnect would fire an event on view changes, and JAB_FSX proves that. It would be a simple matter for NP to add an event handler to the TIR software and generate the pause/unpause command whenever the view change event is raised. Assuming that is, that TIR is already using SimConnect and I'm about 99% sure it does ;) And a big advantage of NP doing it in the TIR software, it would work with whatever keys the user had assigned for Pause and Center (my FSX profile currently uses "x" and Joy2, changed them back to F9/F12 to experiment with JAB).

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Jacky,I can't believe people are giving grief about your program.I think it is great although having the mouse toggle pause TrackIR was handy for setting gauges.I prefer your program because I switch to outside views more than I set gauges.I have programmed buttons to set alt,heading ajd .course adj.,speed adj.etc.Also I can have it set to start TrackIR and RC before starting FS.Thanks again for the program.Ron from Ottawa,Ill.

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>Jacky, I think what Vic was getting at is that a lot people>are wanting NaturalPoint to make the change in the>TrackIR code, and that it would be a major change - he wasn't>saying that you changed the TIR code.Ok, sorry I misunderstood.>Vic, as Jacky points out the change would be very minor>for NP to make - I've always suspected SimConnect would fire>an event on view changes, and JAB_FSX proves that. It would>be a simple matter for NP to add an event handler to the TIR>software and generate the pause/unpause command whenever the>view change event is raised. Assuming that is, that TIR is>already using SimConnect and I'm about 99% sure it does ;) +1 !

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Thanx, DH - you just made my day ( pun intended :) ) that's what I meant - no disrespect to Jacky - I've been a fan for a long time going back to the original gauge cleaner. :)Good point re Simconnect - I keep forgetting about that. I'm still thinking the DirectPlay interface which is NOT fun to program. I've just lightly glanced at SimConnect and it seems like it would be a heck of a lot easier.VicVisit the Virtual Pilot's Centerwww.flightadventures.comhttp://www.hifisim.com/Active Sky V6 Proud SupporterRadar Contact Supporter: http://www.jdtllc.com/

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I'd like to thank you again for this great little utility. In my case I have all my buttons programmed just the way I want it and the keyboard out of reach. This does just the trick for my tracker ir-it would be nice if they built it in but you have increased the elegance of using it greatly until then. We appreciate your work!http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpg

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Vic, ;)>Thanx, DH - you just made my day ( pun intended :) ) that's>what I meant - no disrespect to Jacky - I've been a fan for a>long time going back to the original gauge cleaner. :)Yep, Jacky rules! He did what NP kept saying can't be done...>>Good point re Simconnect - I keep forgetting about that. I'm>still thinking the DirectPlay interface which is NOT fun to>program. I've just lightly glanced at SimConnect and it seems>like it would be a heck of a lot easier.I've got no experience with DirectPlay, or SimConnect either. Been writing cobol business apps for 20+ years on a unix system, my Windows programming experience is limited to maybe 20 thousand lines of work-related VB6 code that I've written over the last 6 years. None of which is client/server related. But my common sense was screaming at me that SimConnect has got to be raising events, and making properties and methods and whatnot available to clients. Shouldn't be a big deal responding to these things ;)I think the reason why NP hasn't done this, and has kept saying it's impossible, is due to possible problems with 3rd party planes like my SF.260. There is obviously some strange code going on in the VC on that plane, with JAB running I cannot cycle thru the views using my CH yoke with Next and Prev views programmed on the buttons. All I can do is jump from whatever seat I'm in, to the other seat, then get stuck there :( Using the keyboard, pressing "s" does the same thing, I get "stuck". Using "Shift-s" on the keyboard does work properly, but I can't program it on my CH yoke either thru FSX or thru FSUIPC. That just leads back to the "stuck" problem, when trying to use the yoke buttons to cycle views.So anyway, I think NP is aware of these issues with certain 3rd-party planes as far as disabling TIR in spot view, and so they're denying it to everyone!However, JAB works great with the default FSX planes, and also with my DreamFleet planes. That's good enough for me, thanks Jacky!

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>Jacky, thanks! Great utility :D I knew it could be done,>even though Vincent over at NP kept saying there was no way to>do it every time someone asked.>>I have a problem though, mostly I fly the RealAir SF.260 in>the left-seat VC and when I cycle thru the views, it jumps to>the right seat and I'm stuck there - can't get back to the>left seat, or outside, or any other view.>>With the default planes, it works fine. I think the problem>is because the SF.260 has two VC views. Any idea how>to get it working with the SF.260?>>DHI never said that it couldn't be done, just not through our software.....Basically this is a "macro" style application that performs several button functions when another button is pressed........

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>While I would't call it hard work, it is annoying to have to>do compared to having to using TrackIR in FS9. Personally, I>would have preferred Natural Point to listen to us customers>and give us the option to have track IR used in non-VC views,>but nothing has eventuated so far. So thanks from me too>Jacky!>>Gary We try to listen to what the customer says, and try to add those features to our software.The issue is how the FSX SimConnect application sets the views, and what views are controlled.

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>>Jacky, thanks! Great utility :D I knew it could be done,>>even though Vincent over at NP kept saying there was no way>to>>do it every time someone asked.>>>>I have a problem though, mostly I fly the RealAir SF.260 in>>the left-seat VC and when I cycle thru the views, it jumps>to>>the right seat and I'm stuck there - can't get back to the>>left seat, or outside, or any other view.>>>>With the default planes, it works fine. I think the problem>>is because the SF.260 has two VC views. Any idea how>>to get it working with the SF.260?>>>>DH>>I never said that it couldn't be done, just not through our>software.....>>Basically this is a "macro" style application that performs>several button functions when another button is>pressed........>Well, have tried out most of the ways with the new views and I must say it is a very clumsy and cumbersome view system. While there are many new view features, that mostly revolve aound outside views, the simple switching between VC and 2D panel is basically porked for those with TrackIR. There are roundabouts but they all lack simple convenience. Even now, using JAB, when I switch fast from VC to 2D, I still need to recenter TIR in 2D view (or stare at the tarmac) every once in a while. Vince and NatPoint are not to be blamed for the new inconveniences btw, nothing to do with them, it's the way it had been designed and carved in FSX code. Another question, why would they want to take away another neat little feature available in FS9 views, like possibility of fine tuning your Eyeposition in VC dynamically with the keys or your joystick assignements? I'm sure, had the guy in charge of the view features specification at Aces flown more himself he would have never left it out. I am dissapointed, sorry for negativism. It feels like a huge new system with lack of basic facility.PS: thanks to Jacky for his efforts, but even with his JAB it is not as simple and convenient like it used to be in FS9.

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I've got the same problem that Ron had. When I go out of VC it goes to top down view. Clicking the Toggle doesn't seem to help.Jim

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Make sure you have TrackIR pause programmed to f9 and align to f12.It only works with the default settings for TrackIR.Jacky says he is working on having it work with any reassignments.Ron

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Going back to the default F9 & F12 fixed the problem, however, now I have no top down view. F12 was the default for it which is why I had changed from F12 to Space bar in TIR. I can't seem to get any other key or button to activate the top down view. Can't figure out why not. Any ideas on how to activate the top down view?Thanks.Jim

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I have a button on my yoke assigned to cycle views forward and another one for cycle views backwards.Then I have my left toggle set to cycle thru the views of each.In other words,one view is spot plane,fixed spotview,top down and tower.Another cycles thru cockpit views.Works fine.Ron

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