And an amazing Project by his developer who owns a real RV-7 and passionately decided to embark on the design of an XP12 port from an unsuccessful MFS version (MFS and it's flight dynamics lag way behind X-Plane's as we all know, although some try to hide...).

I wish Larry Adamson was still at AVSIM and using sims... I am sure he would give great feedback on this one, and I am also sure he would, finally, enjoy X-Plane 🙂

Van's RV-7 - General Aviation XP12 - X-Plane.Org Forum

Edited February 10, 20233 yr by cagarini

4 hours ago, cagarini said:

And an amazing Project by his developer who owns a real RV-7 and passionately decided to embark on the design of an XP12 port from an unsuccessful MFS version (MFS and it's flight dynamics lag way behind X-Plane's as we all know, although some try to hide...).

I wish Larry Adamson was still at AVSIM and using sims... I am sure he would give great feedback on this one, and I am also sure he would, finally, enjoy X-Plane 🙂

Van's RV-7 - General Aviation XP12 - X-Plane.Org Forum

Now that is a story worth pinning.

Here is good example of someone who seeks a better way to model his aircraft and finds a way to make it happen and the result shows after he is done. He tells a very interesting story and should be commended for his efforts.

Edited February 10, 20233 yr by BobFS88

1 hour ago, cagarini said:

 the design of an XP12 port from an unsuccessful MFS version

Sorry, where did you see that the MFS version was "unsuccessful" ? You make it sound as if the same guy first did it in MSFS, then switched to XP12, which is not what happened, from what I read ?

2 minutes ago, Daube said:

Sorry, where did you see that the MFS version was "unsuccessful" ? You make it sound as if the same guy first did it in MSFS, then switched to XP12, which is not what happened, from what I read ?

"That aircraft in MSFS2020 did not handle or perform closely enough to a real RV-7 for my purposes, hence the port."

Taken from the download link...

I saw that sentence but it seems you didn't understand what it meant.

He was using the freeware RV-7 made by somebody called Deejing, but the flight model of that model was not accurate enough for him. Since he is not the author of that plane, he decided to make his own model in XP12 instead, and just reused the 3D model (with authorizations, I hope) from Deejing's MSFS model. At no point in time did he try to create or edit the flight model in MSFS.

Now, that doesn't remove any glory from the excellent job he has done for his "first ever model in any sim" in XP12. But don't make it sound like 'I tried in MSFS but couldn't reach a good level because MSFS is bad, so I did it again in XP12 and I could succeed because XP12 is good, lol MSFS noobz XP12 ftw", please...

1 minute ago, Daube said:

I saw that sentence but it seems you didn't understand what it meant.

He was using the freeware RV-7 made by somebody called Deejing, but the flight model of that model was not accurate enough for him. Since he is not the author of that plane, he decided to make his own model in XP12 instead, and just reused the 3D model (with authorizations, I hope) from Deejing's MSFS model. At no point in time did he try to create or edit the flight model in MSFS.

Now, that doesn't remove any glory from the excellent job he has done for his "first ever model in any sim" in XP12. But don't make it sound like 'I tried in MSFS but couldn't reach a good level because MSFS is bad, so I did it again in XP12 and I could succeed because XP12 is good, lol MSFS noobz XP12 ftw", please...

Oh well, you are probably right, but I'm on my xp12 Moon 😁 

That's alright 🙂

I mean, that guy is quite impressive because if I understood it properly, he actually built an RV7 both in real life and in the sim ! It's going to be very difficult to get anything more accurate than this, for the flight model.

1 hour ago, Daube said:

That's alright 🙂

I mean, that guy is quite impressive because if I understood it properly, he actually built an RV7 both in real life and in the sim ! It's going to be very difficult to get anything more accurate than this, for the flight model.

I wouldn't say so, necessarilly 😁

See Austin and the years and thousands of thread lines it took for him to finally fix the torque bug (thx to Murmur), while always saying / insisting it was "just ok" and users should make use of aileron Trim...🤣

Edited February 10, 20233 yr by cagarini

51 minutes ago, Daube said:

At no point in time did he try to create or edit the flight model in MSFS.

The cross platform description begs the question: why not?

Given the amount of rework he says was needed to hack together the 3D model, why didn't he just work on updating the existing msfs RV7 flight model? Getting permission to slice up 3D geometry is a far bigger deal (for a different sim, no less) than simply generating an updated aircraft cfg file.

It very much sounds like the benefits and realism afforded by XP's flight model outweighed the eventual cost of blood-sweat-tears to get a decent 3D model.

Or, maybe the cost was going to be the other direction? Trying to wrangle the msfs flight model would be MORE work and hair-pulling than even hacking together a 3D model for XP?

Just another THUMBS UP for this freeware RV-7. E true delight!

For me an aircraft project like this is what I would like to know for a glider in XP, but my 3d skills are NILL, and so is gauge programming and so on... 😕

I would love to be able to build a convincing glider for XP12. It puzzles me that the gliders I try are in some aspects so far  from their real counterparts... It doesn't make sense to me 😞

5 hours ago, cagarini said:

Just another THUMBS UP for this freeware RV-7.

Had time today to try it. It's very well done.

Watch out for those empennage control surfaces!