Weather appears to be correct - Flight YMHB0 NZAA (Hobart to Auckland F350) The sim NOAA and Navmap all in agreement. Cloud presentation as per metars and forecast along with applied wind. High level clouds at forecast levels still not perfect Cirrus but much better, winds aloft were all accurate as per reports and forecast. Arrival weather Auckland same, so pretty good. Light control is interesting but no dark cockpit syndrome at all. Turbulence still difficult to assess or shall we say feel or get a better idea of, you get the up and down but hard to know why or how sometimes!

ATC - a non functional mess really! Thought I would see if it could manage this one - no. Getting a flight plan accepted is clunky and one system hung due to inadvertent button selection. Worked after that taxy instructions were ok. Enroute constant heading changes to left or right of track for no discernible reason, nav GPS correctly displayed but took me left and right the whole trip. TOD managed ok but after that had no idea where it was taking me or why finally deduced it was for RWY23 and able to get away with an ILS after cancelling the plan otherwise would have been going round in circles who knows where or why.  Even FSX could correctly vector to you to the IAP of an ILS, not XP!

The Laminar default FMS/GPS still remains to my perspective a mess as well. Plan amendments and discontinuities hard to remove or achieve. Tracking can become confused and have the distance from the last waypoint and no proper transistion from waypoint to waypoint, not all the time but aggravatingly common. Still lots of non functional keys. Basically hard to use, is not intuitive and hardly useable some times.  Basically I was never sure what it was doing or would do next. You see the difference immediately if compared to payware models with their own purpose built or developed FMS/GPS's. Cannot use INS as the CIVA unit is still not released for XP12. (Felis 747-200 is XP12 and has a functional INS - so hard to figure out why Laminar just do not spend some time on this- really detracts from their inhouse models such as the A330 and MD82.  I have years and years of experience with RW GPS and FMS systems - and well the XP unit is characteristically illogical and difficult to use especially as a working navigation tool and data system! 

Graphics and FPS were all fine by me - still a little feathering from the AA under certain light conditions. Better light control now and like the way if will switch the outside view seamlessly from day to night without reloading the whole flight. Neat. 

Few screenshots of cloud and light but could not link them so thats that!

 

 

Edited September 24, 20241 yr by coastaldriver

36 minutes ago, coastaldriver said:

ATC - a non functional mess really! Thought I would see if it could manage this one - no. Getting a flight plan accepted is clunky and one system hung due to inadvertent button selection. Worked after that taxy instructions were ok. Enroute constant heading changes to left or right of track for no discernible reason, nav GPS correctly displayed but took me left and right the whole trip. TOD managed ok but after that had no idea where it was taking me or why finally deduced it was for RWY23 and able to get away with an ILS after cancelling the plan otherwise would have been going round in circles who knows where or why.  Even FSX could correctly vector to you to the IAP of an ILS, not XP!

Well next update is pretty much a ATC one. Its a lot of work. Also will include SIDS and STARTS im sure that will lead to more complaints.

I can live without ATC but it will be awhile before I bother again! Same in FSX, P3D  easier to find your own way around.

1 minute ago, coastaldriver said:

I can live without ATC but it will be awhile before I bother again! Same in FSX, P3D  easier to find your own way around.

Ye but just like in real life its just there to get you to first waypoint and than at end to runway. Everything else in between is your business. Its fun when it works. I think it was when they allowed shorter take off some runway stuff got broke, but at least they are trying.

22 hours ago, mjrhealth said:

Well next update is pretty much a ATC one. Its a lot of work. Also will include SIDS and STARTS im sure that will lead to more complaints.

They need to fix what they already have implemented instead of adding more ATC features. Last time I tried flying between KSMO, KVNY, KCMA it was a disaster. It turned a 10-minute flight into a 1-hour circle jerk between controllers and flying me way out to the middle of nowhere only to be vectored into the mountain peaks.

Edited September 25, 20241 yr by strider1

It's highly amusing that someone would not notice that the ATC system was so significantly bugged even at the 20 min mark of what should have been a 10 min flight and not recognize that they could probably do something else. So much love and desire to stay in the sim that you'll even CFIT to tell it so. Round of applause.

Crazy thing us people actually think they have to obey ATC right away. It's always fly first. ATC is quiet flexible. Sometimes I ignore them for a time even do course changes, I think after about 4 requests they get cranky, but until than you do what you need.

29 minutes ago, strider1 said:

They need to fix what they already have implemented

Well I'm sure many would disagree Sid's stars have being complained about forever. I think they also had enough feedback to sit down and just concentrate on improving, I've certainly added my notes.

26 minutes ago, blingthinger said:

It's highly amusing that someone would not notice that the ATC system was so significantly bugged even at the 20 min mark of what should have been a 10 min flight and not recognize that they could probably do something else. So much love and desire to stay in the sim that you'll even CFIT to tell it so. Round of applause.

Can you not follow a rational train of thought when reading forum posts? "circle jerk" is your first clue. And I used time acceleration, 1 hour = 10 minutes...

Good grieve...

52 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

Crazy thing us people actually think they have to obey ATC right away. It's always fly first. ATC is quiet flexible. Sometimes I ignore them for a time even do course changes, I think after about 4 requests they get cranky, but until than you do what you need.

I was just testing ATC, to see how realistic it was. This was about a year or two ago, it's probably still broken.

Yes it's still broken depending on what you do, it's never going to be realistic, that's impossible and was never promised. So I don't know why you where testing for realism.

7 hours ago, strider1 said:

Good grieve

Grief. Good grief.

Indeed.

7 hours ago, strider1 said:

Can you not follow a rational train of thought when reading forum posts? "circle jerk" is your first clue. And I used time acceleration, 1 hour = 10 minutes

So let's make sure we understand: not only did you intentionally mislead by not mentioning time acceleration, but you also anthropomorphized a software bug ("circle jerk"). It's as if you thought the sim controllers were deriving some sort of self-indulgent pleasure out of your 10 min of (very clearly intense) frustration and pain? Enough to post in frustration on a public forum. It was a "disaster" (true, CFIT is that). LR should should NOT add new ATC features. Your foot is down. No more new ATC features LR! 

All good to know. Like I said: you clearly have very strong feelings connected to the sim and its developer.

2 hours ago, blingthinger said:

Grief. Good grief.

Indeed.

So let's make sure we understand: not only did you intentionally mislead by not mentioning time acceleration, but you also anthropomorphized a software bug ("circle jerk"). It's as if you thought the sim controllers were deriving some sort of self-indulgent pleasure out of your 10 min of (very clearly intense) frustration and pain? Enough to post in frustration on a public forum. It was a "disaster" (true, CFIT is that). LR should should NOT add new ATC features. Your foot is down. No more new ATC features LR! 

All good to know. Like I said: you clearly have very strong feelings connected to the sim and its developer.

Oh, you are a real smart guy using big words like 'anthropomorphized' and 'CFIT'. I was just pointing out the obvious (XP ATC is still buggy!). I knew I would trigger an emotional response from someone on here. Did I hurt your feelings? You remind of the typical politician that talks a lot, but doesn't really say anything.

Good grieve... Like literally go and do it, it will make feel better.

5 hours ago, strider1 said:

CFIT

Not a word. Big? If you say so. I suppose it is all uppercase.

 

5 hours ago, strider1 said:

I was just pointing out the obvious

And so if it's soooo obvious, why does it need even more pointing out? Oh..right..slander of the indie software dev. I totally missed that! Guess I'm not so smart after all, eh??

In future 'pointing out' activities, be sure to include important factors such as using time accel. I do wonder if that exacerbated the errors in the ATC system (that everyone already knew about). If you do want to actually say something productive about this, go run your full full "circle jerk" again but on real time. I bet it will produce the same result, but unanticipated errors are a very real possibility with time accel turned on. Also, had you mentioned that massive tid-bit of detail earlier, I can assure you that I wouldn't have made a peep.