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Anyone use or try the ORBX FTX scenery?

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I was thinking about getting the FTX scenery. Does it work and does it toast your frame rates?TurnipSPECS:VISTA Home Basic 580 WATT Sunbeam PowerCrucial Ballistix 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAMASUS P5N-E SLI LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 Conroe 2.33GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80557E6550MSI nVidia NX8800GT 512 PCI-E 2.0SB LIVE 24250 GB WD SATA HD 120 GB WD IDE HD

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It does work. It does not toast your frame rates. It covers about 1/4 of southern Austrailia. Outside of that area, you won't notice it.

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Agreed. Using the recommended settings, I can run FTX scenery at 30 fps. If is a remarkable package of custom textures and autogen that simulates southern Australia very well. It is not photo realistic, so don't expect to see every landmark. On the other hand, FTX has somehow managed to avoid the strange interactions between autogen and textures sometimes seen in other packages, where for example autogen trees are unaccountably growing in the middle of wheat fields. This brings a level of realism to FSX that has not been seen before. Cheers,Noel.

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OK Thanks Gents. I was going to get the UT series but think I will try the Aussie FTX. They are supposed to start coming out with a western USA one this summer I think. If I like the down under version, I'll get the USA one also.TurnipSPECS:VISTA Home Basic 580 WATT Sunbeam PowerCrucial Ballistix 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAMASUS P5N-E SLI LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 Conroe 2.33GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80557E6550MSI nVidia NX8800GT 512 PCI-E 2.0SB LIVE 24250 GB WD SATA HD 120 GB WD IDE HD

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FTX rocks big time. It isn't photorealistic but it sure does look photorealistic. If you know what I mean. Textures are awesome and so is the (placement of!) autogen. No matter which way you fly, it all looks awesome (unlike default textures of photorealistic textures). Check out their forum: there are some screenies that look just like photographs imho. Like (with FEX though):http://orbxsystems.com/forums/index.php?topic=1498.0Or a few of mine with default FSX and FTX only:http://orbxsystems.com/forums/index.php?topic=1401.0http://orbxsystems.com/forums/index.php?topic=1430.0It's the best and most realistic texture/autogen/roads etc addon ever. (I bought UTX two weeks before I got FTX. I like UTX a lot but even though it allows me to fly real VFR in my own country, I am solely flying down under now, something I've never done before but certainly will do for weeks to come. If not more.)

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WOW Nice shots. I would love to see some with the FPS and your system specs. Is that possible?

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I haven't tried it alot myself yet. I got it mainly to try it out but wasn't counting on being able to actuall enjoy teh eye candy because my machine is becoming ancient. I was surprised however, as the FPS was decent when I followed ORBX's advice on configuring FSX. Seems the scenery doesn't harm my framerate much at all and it's still ALOT more realistic and better looking than the standard FSX one.It's worth the money, no doubt about that! My only possible gripe is it will take YEARS before ORBX get Europe done considering the amount of work needed to achieve this result.Cheers/Jonas

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System is E6600, 8800GTX, 2 Gb RAM, Vista 32 bit, res of 1650x1080x32. I use nHancer and Nick N's settings for that one. FSX settings are a mixed bag, some high (scenery tab) ,some low (traffic tab)) autogen is at Very dense but I have max trees at 2500 in the fsx.cfg (my system has problems with huge forests, also with default FSX trees btw). Fps (averages) is between 30 up to (sometimes) 55 (I have it set to unlimited) above the fields and farms, but drops to 20 or so above dense forests.

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Ah, well, here are some screenies made specially for the occasion: not made for their beauty but for showing fps. I resized them but the fps info is at 100% so you can still read it. At the left you see the average fps, with left the lowest 'spike' and right the highest (these spikes change every few seconds or so). Taking of from Melbourne in the RealAir Scout (in which you sit in the middle, which is great for sightseeing: the plane is really awesome!). Fps above cities is also quite low (of course), but above forests my computer has to struggle the hardest.http://i30.tinypic.com/f2fdt.jpghttp://i25.tinypic.com/dwub8y.jpghttp://i26.tinypic.com/16gygll.jpghttp://i31.tinypic.com/1z5mc6o.jpghttp://i29.tinypic.com/3094k86.jpghttp://i26.tinypic.com/2u5ry41.jpghttp://i26.tinypic.com/20zyc9k.jpghttp://i31.tinypic.com/2q84shy.jpgI like flying above the fields the most, so I am happy with these results. ;) But even above cities and forests the flight is smooth: fps isn't everything...!!!

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I just love it. Haven't flown outside of the coverage area since I bought it. I am now a virtual resident at one of the farms near Albana. Great flying the cub in and out of there. Been having a blast. Even with my system I get great performance with the recommended settings. Around 30FPS. It has also given me a great excuse to explore and area of the world I might not otherwise have done.Highly recommend.

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Vancouver+ used to be my favorite scenery add on, but now its FTX. The only thing missing from FTX is the type of water class you get from UTX. Other than that its the most stunning and beautiful scenery you can get. There's no need for me to get any more GEX packages, as I'll be waiting for FTX coverage.

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The coverage area of FTX is too minute to rule out purchasing Ground Environment X and other than the lighting enhancements, both packages have comparable textures.For the price, you'd be better off with GEX if you fly anywhere outside a limited area in southern Austrailia.

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>The coverage area of FTX is too minute to rule out purchasing>Ground Environment X and other than the lighting enhancements,>both packages have comparable textures.>>For the price, you'd be better off with GEX if you fly>anywhere outside a limited area in southern Austrailia.Minute? Limited area? The FTX coverage area is larger than western Europe I believe.

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And even is it IS small (which is it not), for the time being I wouldn't want to fly anywhere else than above FTX. It's too good to pass, not only the textures but also the (placement of) the autogen. It's the most realistic flight environment I've ever flown above. I don't think I will fly anywhere else until the next FTX region is released. ;) But I can be very happy with a small but perfect region. I never ever fly all over the world anyway. In fact, even with default FSX I've always flown above the same small regions for weeks and weeks or even months (Norway specifically, but also California for a while and above the Netherlands since I got UTX Europe). The area FTX offers me is MORE than enough for me. Again, it's so awesome that I can't be bothered with other non-FTX regions anymore.

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Here is a coverage map showing both the Ground Environment X coverage area and the FTX coverage area (with Western Europe shown for comparison purposes).http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/186501.jpgBoth products are priced at $29.95 USD and are comparable ... however for the money, you get a much larger coverage area with Ground Environment X (although with FTX, you get enhanced night lighting.)Again, for those flying primarily over the southern part of Austrailia, there's not really any other choice, as these two companies are not yet competing in the areas they cover. For those flying over the North American continent, GEX provides excellent coverage with comparable textures to FTX.Adding: What would be truly awesome is if Flight Terrain X covers all of North America for $29.95.

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We are not competing products at allThey can not be compared side-by-side. We do not alter core FSX files such as autogen descriptions, nor do we create scenery bgl's, replace autogen with custom, create landclass files, etcAll GEXn does is provide an upgrade texture replacement and in the process we reconfigure autogen from the default library to optimize its use. We also upgrade UTX at the same time because their product provides landclass upgrades with some textures and in order to be sure UTX users get the full benefit of both, we match and upgrade the UTX textures with an option in the interface.GEXn will not interfere with any area outside its coverage for autogen and other elements. There is no configuration tool involved and there is no need to switch anything on/off. You simply install, defrag as you should with any large file replacement add-on, and go. No changes or configuration considerations are needed after that because we use the default system in FSX to place the textures. The user can then take full advantage of UTX and other landclass products on the market which we also test to make sure the textures land properly with them running. We encourage their use becuase it allows the user to change an area if they wish and are not restricted to one texture layout/landclass or look. The landclass products such as SceryTech, etc, will swap GEXn textures based on the custom landclass calls so the user is not bound by one product or another and GEXn will follow them all correctly in texture layout.There are minor texture bleed-overs from USACAN to Europe right now however they are matched to their counterparts and present no change in the environment, and, when we complete Europe, all will match as it should. There will be 3 releases that cover the entire world and they should be complete before the end of the year. Some will not be able to afford 400+ dollars to cover the entire world in FTX, or may not wish to wait for their area to be completed. The products complement each other in that respect. If a user can not afford to cover the world they will still receive an awesome upgrade with FTX, UTX, GEXn no matter where they fly. In that, there is no competition or competing. To us it's about what works for everyone, and, allows choices.

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I am extremely grateful to have both products-and I also don't see them as competing products at all. A shot of both (you can figure out which is which)....boy has reality gone up 10 fold for simmers lately! :-) Many thanks to these add in folks!http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/1b5baf...b9f427f694g.jpgMy blog:http://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/186504.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/186505.jpg

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>I am extremely grateful to have both products-and I also>don't see them as competing products at all. I agree. :-)

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I also agree that there's not much comparison between these two products .. and am merely pointing out for those considering a purchase of one or the other that they are in fact, not competing products.Neither covers an area the other does, and FTX is considerably more expensive given the area it covers.Someone suggested that FTX covers an area as large as Western Europe, which I don't think is the case.Both are great products, and if you have the funds, worth a purchase.

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FSXMissionguyYou state "Both products are priced at $29.95 USD and are comparable ... however for the money, you get a much larger coverage area with Ground Environment X (although with FTX, you get enhanced night lighting.)"This is a bit misleading. GEX is "just" replacement textures for a large area and optimised autogen placement. Now do not get me wrong, I am not bashing GEX as I am eagerly awaiting their much anticipated european texture set but the two just can not be compared. FTX-Blue is a complete scenery package for a smaller area with custom textures, custom autogen, landclass, rivers, lakes, coast outlines, airports (with 60 + more coming for free), roads with traffic (not just the motorways) and of course UTX-like night lighting. Both are must-haves and complement each other as long as the do not cover the same area.Jean-Paul

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>Someone suggested that FTX covers an area as large as Western>Europe, which I don't think is the case.>I was only repeating what is says on the product page.As regards your map, would I be correct in saying that some map projections distort the land sizes from north to south? Or is it as you travel away from the Equator? I'm not saying that your image does this but if anybody can provide actual square mileage coverage (FTX Blue region v western Europe) info I'd be interested to hear.

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Hi there,looks like you forget that maps "lie" because they distort areas depending on latitude and other projection parameters (lots of interesting articles on the web about that!). Try Wikipedia or other online geographic database instead: all of Europe covers ~10 million sq km and western Europe (depending on your definition what that is) covers 1.5-4 million sq km. The area covered by FTX BLUE is 2.5-3 million sq km; it's difficult to measure exactly because its boundary doesn't align with state or provincial boundaries. Thus, if you follow Wikipedia's definition of Western Europe, FTX BLUE is actually bigger but if you include northern and southern Europe in your definition then western Europe is bigger. That's the numbers game for those to whom size matters ;-)Cheers, Holger

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OK Gang, here's the rub!I installed FTXI am getting consistant 30 - 50 FPSThis product is awesome as most of you probably agree. GET IT! You will not be sorry.Now UTX.The water in FSX stinks. Agreed?I now need something to replace the water and some improvements on the other ares on the globe. In walks UTX.The main question that needs answered is, If I install UTX and it covers the Seattle area. Then I install FTX for Seattle, will they co-exist peacefully? Will I still get the great FTX environment in Seattle with UTX installed in that area?TurnipSPECS:VISTA Home Basic 580 WATT Sunbeam PowerCrucial Ballistix 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAMASUS P5N-E SLI LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 Conroe 2.33GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80557E6550MSI nVidia NX8800GT 512 PCI-E 2.0SB LIVE 24250 GB WD SATA HD 120 GB WD IDE HDftxsupporter.gif[/url]

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Hi Turnip,yes, FTX and UT-X will co-exist. It wouldn't make sense for FTX to duplicate features already provided by UT-X, like detailed roads and water bodies. We're still working on the feature set for FTX Pacific Northwest but the idea is to focus on those aspects of the landscape and scenery that UT-X doesn't touch.Australia requires a different approach because there is no UT-X available and the FSX default landscape detail is pretty poor compared to the default landscape detail of North America and Europe. Cheers, Holger

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Lets not guess and just check the official sources if it really matters to anyone.Asia (plus the Middle East) 17,212,000 Sq. Miles (44,579,000 Sq. Km) 30.0% Africa 11,608,000 Sq. Miles (30,065,000 Sq. Km) 20.3% North America 9,365,000 Sq. Miles (24,256,000 Sq. Km) 16.3% South America 6,880,000 Sq. Miles (17,819,000 Sq. Km) 12.0% Antarctica 5,100,000 Sq. Miles (13,209,000 Sq. Km) 8.9% Europe 3,837,000 Sq. Miles (9,938,000 Sq. Km) 6.7% Australia (plus Oceania) 2,968,000 Sq. Miles (7,687,000 Sq. Km) 5.2% A few Visual ComparesAustralia: http://www.ga.gov.au/education/facts/dimensions/compare.htmIf anyone wishes to scale the currently available (or future) FTX sector(s) to the maps in the link above it will present a much more correct visual representation of area in relation to other countries and/or continents.Europe to USA interactive: http://goeurope.about.com/od/europeanmaps/...parison-map.htmI really do not think it matters however since the subject was brought up and it appears to be a topic of interest, there is the information and proper scale required to compare without question

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