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Hi,I have just bought a new rig and I am just about to install FSX.I have a 500 GB fast hard drive with the OS on the C drive.Should I just go ahead and install FSX in the default path or should I create, say, a 50 GB partition on the C drive and install FSX to the separate partition.Thanks,Pete

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Hello,There is only one reason to do this : install your Operating System on the C: partition, and all you applications and documents on a second partition.This way, if you need to reinstall the OS, you can even safely format the C: drive, without loosing everything else.You would have to reinstall all applications anyway afterwards, but it will be much faster.So make a 100 GB or so for the C: drive (that is largely enough), and a 400 GB for your applications, and you are set.What I also would recommend, is to make a small partition (5GB or so) andput the windows swapfile on it. Afterwards, run a good defrag program to keep your HD up to speed.And if you would happen to have a second hard drive, I would recommend to install FSX on that one.Jan

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Different partitions on the same drive don't do anything except maybe help you stay organised.Different physical harddisks would give you better loading and seek times.

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Thanks to both posters for your response.I do have a spare physical hard drive and I think I will install FSX on that drive.Thanks,Pete

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Vista. If you install FSX on another drive than c:, Vista won't bother that much about protecting FSX files. You'll have less problems with add ons. If you run Vista, do follow the advice of Jan.Ulf B

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Hi UlfB,I have Vista as my OS.I am not sure what you mean.Are you saying it is best to use Jans partition method on the one drive, or are you saying to install on a separate drive?(Jan's post did recommend using a separate drive.)Thanks,Pete

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Pete,I've installed FSX on a separate drive. If you install FSX on your c drive. Vista have some special protection for files on the c drive. People are compaining of problems altering and saving fsx files in Vista. I have never had such problems with fsx installed on a separate drive.Ulf B

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Hi Ulf,Thanks for your response.I presume you have intalled all your addons to the same separate drive as FSX.Do you have any problems with addons installed to the separate drive?For example PMDG 747X, UTX or GEX?Thanks,Pete

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No problems at all. But some installers defaults to an install folder such as c:program files, and in some cases I let the installer have it's way. I have GEX, FSX SDK and TrackIR installed on the c drive. All other add ons are installed on the fsx drive. PMDG 747X and UTX USA, Canada and Europe are installed at the default locations, that is on the fsx drive.Ulf B

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Never partition2 drives with no partitions is the best choice.. A single drive with no partitions is the next bestIn either case, do not let the drives free space fall below 25%. if you do, performance will start to drop. I keep my disk free space at 35% or higher and replace a drive if it goes over that amount.

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Thanks Nick N and all posters for the information.My fate is sealed.....I shall install FSX on my spare hard drive and see what eventuates!!!Thanks once again,Pete

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just make sure the 2nd drive is not a cheap/old IDE, or an externalIf the 2nd drive is a decent spec SATA your better off on 2.Otherwise the single 500 with everything on it and no partitions would be better.I would put FSX on the faster of the 2 drives if your primary concern is FSX performance. Both drives are important but if a choice is required between HDD specs, FSX on the faster drive is the way to go.

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Will you please advise how can I reinstall FSX to my new hard-drive G . Every time I insert FSX CD, it goes to straight to install C drive. Does give any Drive selection??RegardsSanal

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>>Never partition>>2 drives with no partitions is the best choice.. A single>drive with no partitions is the next best>>In either case, do not let the drives free space fall below>25%. if you do, performance will start to drop. I keep my disk>free space at 35% or higher and replace a drive if it goes>over that amount.NickThat is an interesting statement. How does one boot from a drive without at least a primary partition, MBR and file system formatting? Or does this statement really mean no more than one partition on a drive? This topic does lead to the subject of spindle management which I haven't seen discussed in this forum and may have some bearing on FSX tuning. There may well be uses who are experiencing less than top FSX performance due to spindle queuing. Spindle queuing could explain some of the FSX stutters complained about on the forum from time to time. I would think that any user that has his System, Swapfile and FSX on the same spindle would be a likely candidate for FSX performance degradation due to spindle queuing no matter how much time they have spent organising their file ordering and defragging.

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BackupYour taking what I said literally :)No partition(s) means no more than oneEach drive has a single partition on itThe page file will never be touched if the system has enough memory in it. If one needs optimize for page file use they need to forget the page and buy memoryLast, spindle management is what my optimize list is all about.. the less that head seeks, the more resources go to FSX

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The DVD will give you the option to choose your install location.. go back and look carefully when the install starts

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Yes Nick, I deliberately took your statement literally because you have, perhaps unintentionally, set yourself up as performance guru and many users that are hanging on your every word which they will take literally and will quote those words to others. Educating users is the best way to help them, I do not think cutting corners is a good way to do this. It would be a brave PC user that would tell their operating system not to use a swap file if for no reason other than most users run other applications as well as FSX on their PCs. If you are prepared to state that all the PCs, over which you have control, have no swapfiles configured in their OS then I doff my hat to you. Less I/O to a swapfile may mean more I/O to standard files which, as you know, will be less efficient.I used the term 'Spindle Management' in the meta sense as I used it as a mainframe performance analyst. Most of your writings, which are of great value, refer to file management within a spindle.

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A little technical background on why partitioning is bad if anyone's interested:Hard drives actually rotate faster on their outer edge. If you measured the circumference of the outer edge, it's far greater than the circumference is at a point near the inner edge. Since the whole disk spins as a connected whole, that means a point on the outer edge travels a larger distance in the same amount of time as one on the inner. Distance = Rate * Time : it moves faster.When a drive is partitioned, it puts the first one on the outer edge and then any subsequent ones further in toward the center. So, if you took a 500GB disk and made say a 100GB partition for FSX on it, you'd essentially end up putting FS on the slowest part of your hard drive, since the other 400GB would come before it further out on the drive.

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I have page files set up on all systems but one. The page is required for certain programs to have allocation so my list sets that up and places it away from the data zone where it will probably never be used if the system is correctly configured for PM however I do specify it be there to cover the bases. It will pose no performance hazard as long as the user is not running low PM. Having no page does present a greater reduction in I/O however its not a good practice to specify a setup like that over the net with the variety of systems and possible issues that may arise.As for the term Spindle Management, I was actually talking about that being included in my list... Part of the success in file management optimizing is that critical selection of hardware and its strategic placement and use.

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