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Wilco E-Jet Series is now available

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As the subject says the Wilco E Jet Series is now available for download. Wilco must have fixed their past slow server problems because the download took less than 5 minutes for 151 MBs.

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Hi,There is a thread in the FS2004 forum OT. Seems there is some problem with the AP and Autothrottle systems (there is a link to a German forum where there is a ongoing discussion OT). When you command a change of the ac heading, the AP puts the aircraft in a 45 degree turn, which make the aircraft nose go down. The autothrottle overcompensates and the aircraft goes into a climb and you overshoot your set altitude. Engaging the bank limit doesn't do much to the problem.I've been over at the Wilco site, but they seem to not provide any support forum for this E-Jet Series. I've emailed a question to Wilco if they provide any support forum. Yeah I know, the Wilco support haven't been working OK, but I still have hope that they will get there act together.I would appreciate any feedback on the FSX-version of this aircraft. Is it a ported FS9 model or a true FSX model?Is the AP and Autothrottle systems working OK in the FSX model?No buy for me, yet.Ulf B

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feelThere developed the EJet series (according to the Wilcopub website) and may be responsible for its support. I have no inside knowledge, but you may at least post a question at the feelThere forum and maybe get further direction.http://forum.iemit.com/(I gather this is the setup for a lot of the feelThere product line ... where they are the developers and responsible for support, and Wilco is merely the publisher and e-tailer.)Cheers,

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Thanks for the tip, but as Wilco is responsible for distribution and as such is my legal counterpart, I think that I should wait for Wilco to respond to my email.I have no intention to buy the aircraft before I know if the problems reported by some users are confirmed as bugs and not due to user errors.Edited: There are some posts at the "unofficial none technical forum airplane forum" regarding the E-Jet Series. None of the posts are answered, yet. There is no forum specific for the E-Jet series.Ulf B

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settle down, look at the link posted above, there is a forum named:PIC EMB forum that is teh one.you need to register and login to see it.

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Thanks,I've registred and am following the different threads and have posted a question. The support people say that it's normal that pilots disengage the VNAV during descents. I'm not familiar with the E-170 aircraft and it's systems, but it seems a little strange that VNAV is working so bad that you need to disengage it during descent. A user reported that applying spoilers didn't help to reduce exceeding speed during descent as the aircraft automatically retracted the spoilers after a while and applied full throttle. I really hope that this behaviour isn't copied from the real aircraft ;-)I wonder if I shouldn't buy that aircraft after all. Just to examine it myself too confirm if the problems are due to user errors (setting up incorrect performance data in the FMC and such) or to bugs.Ulf B

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I had only a short flight with it, AP seems to work ok, spoilers don't work - no reduction in speed. Auto throttle might have a bug in it too, I have it set at 155 knots but engines spool up at 180 knots. Also, takeoff seems to take very long, it looks like not enough power - this however could be operator error, I have only skimmed the instruction manual. Bernd

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Does Wilco or Feelthere like Encrypt their cfgs so the user cant remove unwanted paints that are installed?If so Ive never seen anything like that before, I want to get rid of all the paints that I will never use.

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>Does Wilco or Feelthere like Encrypt their cfgs so the user>cant remove unwanted paints that are installed?>>If so Ive never seen anything like that before, I want to get>rid of all the paints that I will never use.???I just made a test and removed the references to the Finnair paint from the aircraft.cfg and it sure didn't show up in the aircraft listing. Do you by any chance run Vista and have FSX installed on your C drive?Ulf B

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I have disabled the UAC already under the administrative rights, so that way it doesnt ask me 3-4 times if I want to save this file cause I made a change to it. I have not yet done what they are suggesting, so I will try it and then report back.Nothing that I do works. The E190s just dissappear if I alter anything in the cfg. I applied full control to bkircher the user and the admin and it did not work. IDK what to do.

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>I had only a short flight with it, AP seems to work ok,>spoilers don't work - no reduction in speed. Auto throttle>might have a bug in it too, I have it set at 155 knots but>engines spool up at 180 knots. Also, takeoff seems to take>very long, it looks like not enough power - this however could>be operator error, I have only skimmed the instruction manual.>>>Bernd Lol, it all sounds very familiar, nothing changes there. All these problems existed in ERJ, Legacy and CitationX, accompanied by a lousy stock documentation. I hope they will put something different in EMB, I mean specifically in the way the plane flies and autopilot works. Sometimes I forget which one of those mentioned I'm currently flying, they all twitch and overshoot almost the same way. But I still buy all their smaller jets from Wilco, don't get me wrong here. I really want them to put more efforts in the FDE and Autopilot modelling.

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bkircher, Two things to try:Head to the old feelthere forum, (google feelthere forums, not through the feelthere website) and there is a guy there that posted a solution in the unoficial forum (something about saving the file (CFG) as UNICODE or something...I had the same problem, and got my E190 back by cutting and pasting the fist FLTSIM.X in the backup cfg folder created by the deluxe (repaints)installer into the new one, for some reason this worked.Hope this helps.

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>Lol, it all sounds very familiar, nothing changes there. All>these problems existed in ERJ, Legacy and CitationX,>accompanied by a lousy stock documentation. I hope they will>put something different in EMB, I mean specifically in the way>the plane flies and autopilot works. Sometimes I forget which>one of those mentioned I'm currently flying, they all twitch>and overshoot almost the same way. But I still buy all their>smaller jets from Wilco, don't get me wrong here. I really>want them to put more efforts in the FDE and Autopilot>modelling.Yeah, I'm starting to realise what you mean. The anonymous signatures Vic and _ak keep dodging when buyers wonder why the aircraft won't do this or that. No straight answers given, only tips on how to avoid problems. Problems with the aircraft overspeeding and overshooting the descent profile, is met with the question: Did you disengage the autothrottle? Because of this I've got no chance to clarify if the aircrafts behaviour is due to me not using the autoflight system correct or to flaws in the design. Very frustrating, as the aircraft is nice and very promising.I'll continue to test the aircraft some more. Boy, do I look forward to the PMDG release of the MD-11 :-) Even if aircraft isn't perfect, you'll receive professional support and any flaws are acknowledged.Ulf B

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Wilco and Feelthere should be run out of town for poor products and support.Phoenix was better and that's saying something!I understand that not everyone wants the complexity of a PMDG or LDS but the basics should still work right.If it's not going to then say so upfront and don't insult users with the 'PIC' designation.The Airbus volume 1 in FSX fiasco was enough for me.Too bad, I really hoped Wilco and Feelthere would get their act together for this one. The E-Jets are a very nice size of commuter jet to be modelled and I was hoping for the best. Maybe after a few service packs (providing Feelthere actually admit the errors are there) it might be worth a shot, but thats a lot of Euros for a less than fully functioning add on.

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As a current ERJ-170 FO for Shuttle America out of ORD, I was looking forward to this very much.So much I gave them tons of materials for them to reference (AOM, POH, etc.) I also offered to help beta test.They said, "don't send us large attachements again.....we have all the beta testers we need...". Those attachements were only 10 megs each, what kind of software developer can't handle a 10 meg email?!?Well anyways, they obviously needed more beta tester.I downloaded this last night very excited and was very disapointed.The biggest bug, which I havent seen mentioned yet is the stupid flight director and flight path vector indicator.The green flight patch vector indicator in the real plane banks and moves with the airplane. It's a indicatation of where the airplane is moving in relation to the horizon. Wilco's stays put right on the horizon, but does move vertically.The FPV needs to bank...which leads me to the next big problem.The pink flight director. For example, when you command a right turn 30 degrees right, the pink diamond will bank and move to the right in the real airplane. Commanding, you, the pilot, to steer the green FPV on top of the pink diamond and match it's bank. BUT!!!! On wilco's version, the pink dot moves right, but BANKS LEFT!!! Seriosuly guys, thats a major flaw I noticed after 5 mins.Also, the EICAS decluttering is a major issue for me. The only way to see if you have three down and green is move the flaps from up to 1. Then the EICAS will clutter. There are times in real life where you want to throw out the gear before flaps 1.Also, when the aircraft starts up, you should have the fuel pumps set to auto...but when you look at your fuel status page, it shows the AC fuel pumps to be on. NOT TRUE...when the engines are running, they motive flow pumps are operating and system logic will turn of the AC fuel pumps.VNAV is very buggy. You can't put in speed and crossing resrtictions at certain fixes. And if you do, it doesn't intercept the VPATH at all.Ok, rant over...other than those issues, she looks hot!

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>Thanks,>>I've registred and am following the different threads and have>posted a question. The support people say that it's normal>that pilots disengage the VNAV during descents. I'm not>familiar with the E-170 aircraft and it's systems, but it>seems a little strange that VNAV is working so bad that you>need to disengage it during descent. A user reported that>applying spoilers didn't help to reduce exceeding speed during>descent as the aircraft automatically retracted the spoilers>after a while and applied full throttle. I really hope that>this behaviour isn't copied from the real aircraft ;-)>>I wonder if I shouldn't buy that aircraft after all. Just to>examine it myself too confirm if the problems are due to user>errors (setting up incorrect performance data in the FMC and>such) or to bugs.>>Ulf B>Don't use VNAV my left foot!!!!#### that's all I use. Going into ORD, we always get speed and crossing restrictions. We're at FL240, and they'll give us cross STALY @ 10K and 250 kts. OK, just plug that into the FMS, set the altitude to 10k, press VNAV. And it will computer a nice 3 degree decent down, and plan to slow down, just perfectly at STALY. THE ONLY TIME WE DISENGAGE VNAV is when they give us the restriction too late and the FMS can't plan a smooth decent.ARGH!!! hearing stuff liek this is frustrating because I offered my help and they blew me off, and I'm an avid flight simmer.

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I know,If the real Embraer should have the autoflight systems implemented in the way feelThere have done it, they wouldn't be allowed to fly anywhere. I had some hope that they would get their act together, but I have my doubts.I've managed to get the aircraft to do one autoland. I still have to figure out why my previous attempts failed. No support from feelThere. When I reported back that I succeeded when discoupling the FMS, I got the reply from the signature Vic that "of course you have to disengage the FMS system from the AP prior to an autoland". The manual says nothing about this, and I feel that this is absolute nonsense. But I've received a pdf file with the normal procedures flying the E-190, so I'll study that and discover what should work with the feelThere aircraft systems.Ulf B

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>>Thanks,>>>>I've registred and am following the different threads and>have>>posted a question. The support people say that it's normal>>that pilots disengage the VNAV during descents. I'm not>>familiar with the E-170 aircraft and it's systems, but it>>seems a little strange that VNAV is working so bad that you>>need to disengage it during descent. A user reported that>>applying spoilers didn't help to reduce exceeding speed>during>>descent as the aircraft automatically retracted the spoilers>>after a while and applied full throttle. I really hope that>>this behaviour isn't copied from the real aircraft ;-)>>>>I wonder if I shouldn't buy that aircraft after all. Just to>>examine it myself too confirm if the problems are due to>user>>errors (setting up incorrect performance data in the FMC and>>such) or to bugs.>>>>Ulf B>>>>>Don't use VNAV my left foot!!!!>>#### that's all I use. Going into ORD, we always get speed>and crossing restrictions. We're at FL240, and they'll give>us cross STALY @ 10K and 250 kts. OK, just plug that into the>FMS, set the altitude to 10k, press VNAV. And it will>computer a nice 3 degree decent down, and plan to slow down,>just perfectly at STALY. >>THE ONLY TIME WE DISENGAGE VNAV is when they give us the>restriction too late and the FMS can't plan a smooth decent.>>ARGH!!! hearing stuff liek this is frustrating because I>offered my help and they blew me off, and I'm an avid flight>simmer.In this video, you can clearly see I'm decending using FPA, but using VNAV guidence to hit STALY at 10k/250. They gave the clearance way too late and had to decend steeper than 3 degrees.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpklb7vlSbg

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Another typical Feelthere release - skip having a real beta where bugs get fixed - just release it in beta state - then deny any problems and blame the users for the bugs.I don't get why they do this, they actually make some half decent stuff (once patch 1 or 2 is out) - why can't they just get their "stuff" together from the start?Either way it sounds like it is usuable right now if you don't use VNAV which I can live with, I've been itching to do some Air Canada Embraer flights for a while.

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Postings like that on the feelThere forum would render you a suspendation, and if repeated you would be thrown out.I read a post today where the poster got this answer to his question about the aircraft overspeeding and overshooting the descent profile: "Read the forum rules before you post"Never the less, the aircraft model is in many ways good, but it won't be a "must have" with the current flaws.Edited: Doen't any developer from feelThere ever post here on avsim? Seems that all other developers participate here, with a few exceptions. Is feelThere not a part of the community? I guess not.Ulf B

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>Postings like that on the feelThere forum would render you a>suspendation, and if repeated you would be thrown out.>>I read a post today where the poster got this answer to his>question about the aircraft overspeeding and overshooting the>descent profile: "Read the forum rules before you post">>Never the less, the aircraft model is in many ways good, but>it won't be a "must have" with the current flaws.>>Edited: Doen't any developer from feelThere ever post here on>avsim? Seems that all other developers participate here, with>a few exceptions. Is feelThere not a part of the community? I>guess not.>>Ulf B>I really should post my emails from Fred at Wilco when I asked to help beta test back in April. I offered my services as an active pilot on the ERJ-170 for Shuttle America. He pretty much said all the beta slots had been filled.Well obviously none of them had been in a 170 because the flight director, the flight path vector indicator, and vnav is total crap. The fpv indicator is supposed to bank with the airplane, not stay level with the horizon. THe pink fd is supposed to bank you into a turn, not away from it.View my videos to see how it's supposed to look:http://www.youtube.com/user/ERJ170Driver Everything else is fine.I emailed him back this morning telling him to stop stamping this as "PIC" approved, because clearly, it's a just a title they made up.

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I am starting to get the feeling a few of the developers have written off FSX/SPS ACCEL and are just treading water and waiting for fs11.In the meantime to keep a cash flow, they are coughing up old FS9 developed planes, adding a coat of gloss and fancy adverstising and putting it out there.The same problems that were never fixed are still there and amplified by the fact they are not true FSX planesI am done fooling and wasting $$$ on any addon thats "compatable" "FSX ready" ect ect.I have enough problems already.I get a email from one developers at least once a week, 20% off,weekend special,30% off,fathers day,50% off,summer clearance.I told them to get off their as***,hire some help and come out with a FSX native plane you have been promising for a year.Enought of these FS9 port overs that were not all that great and buggy 2 years ago.The Wilco 737 was fun but nothing to get excited over.The CitationX that I upgraded too was also nothing special.They also get my vote for the worst looking stewardess I have ever seen.Well there was that one that had to turn sideways to walk down the aisle but thats another story.

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>I really should post my emails from Fred at Wilco when I asked>to help beta test back in April. I offered my services as an>active pilot on the ERJ-170 for Shuttle America. He pretty>much said all the beta slots had been filled.>Enough said, it explains a lot. Shame, it shows they never intended to put in some soul into their planes. That's what unfortunately always worried me about FeelThere. Otherwise, as someone said, semi-decent. (I wonder how does it feel to be a semi-decent developer, lol?)

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