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I just wanted to acquaint this audience (no other sinister motives)what some developers FS2002 have been up to lately. These are 'rendered' panels so fall under the same category as FLY panels but the amount of extra fancy texturing make them really (IMO) exceptional work of arts. Notice subtle wear&tear efects of materials. This is btw from the Eurowings project coming soon. Marcel Felde is the virtuoso responsible for all this 3D work. We are looking here at the ATR-42. There will also be a BAE-146 and A-319 in this collection.Michael J.http://www.ew-projekt.de/report-atr/03.jpghttp://www.fsfd.de/pictures/ATR_OVHD.jpg

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G'day Michael,>I just wanted to acquaint this audience (no other sinister >motives) Yeah right :-) I'm not sure of your motives but this post is way over the top.There is a screen shot forum and a MSFS forum for such a post.Nice panels by the way but why not show them to someone who cares - in the correct forum.Cheers,Roger @YSSY

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I agree with Roger. Nice panels, though one thing I wish some MSFS developer would figure out how to do is anti-alias the border between the window and outside scenery. Yeech! And, the stray black pixels don't help either.Rich

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I'll stay out of this one..................... except to say that higher resolutions will help in the case of the MS panel window borders.L.Adamson

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G'day Rich,Mate to be fair I've had a heck of a time myself trying to eliminate stray pixels. In the screen shot below I must have converted the file from PBM to TGA and back again at least a dozen times or more, and still some of the little black dots persist in appearing. I'm starting to think it may be in the conversion perhaps.What I'm doing at present is painting the view in TGA/RGB then when finished converting to indexed colour image and finally converting to a PBM image. They just won't disappear!Sometimes the indexed colour conversion is adaptive and other times it may be exact. Could this have a bearing on the problem?Got any tips on the best way to get rid of them? :-)Great to see you participating in the forumCheers,Roger @YSSY

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G'day Pete,Don't get over excited it's all digital camera.Part of my Qantas Link repaint project :-)Cheers,Roger @YSSY

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They *are* very good looking panels. However, my main question is how *functional* are they?? If they are as functional as FLY's, then this is of interest, at least to me, as a FLY user. If not, then they are just impressive eye candy. Can anyone tell me if some of the MSFS second party panels do model systems as well as FLY? By this I mean not so much that I can flip the switches, but when the they are flipped, something actually happens.

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My main problem with Microsoft FS2002 is i really cant accept this bad marriage between 2D and V/C.Really they will have to decide which way they are going in future editions and do one or the other properly.You either have a VC which with any serious level of functionality staggers to a halt or you stick with the unrealistic 2D views which are claustraphobic and reliant on unworkable pop up windows.I have also noted derogatory comments fired at Fly! regarding flight models as if FS2002 was some sort of yardstick to measure by.The FS2002 flight engine is full of serious problems. Okay Rob has managed to work around to get aircraft doing basic things that they should do but please dont hold FS2002 up as a shining example as how things should be in either panel design, flight dynamics,weather , clouds or skies.IL2 is way ahead and I would love to see what those guys could do with a GA simPeter

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> They *are* very good looking panels. However, my main >question is how *functional* are they?? They match functionality of FLY panels.Michael J.

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>a shining example as how things should be in either panel Peter,The pics above are not to illustrate how well FS2002 looks like but how well these panels look like. The same panels could be put into FLY. It has nothing to do with FS2002.Michael J.

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Michael,How do you know? Are you a beta tester?Henri

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Still stirring up this kind of stuff, almost a year later..... When will you ever stop?

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Roger,I had drafted a longish response to this trolling post but decided to adopt a policy of ignoring these attempts to bait us into these pointless debates. I've used both sim's and find Fly! to be more satisfying. I don't go over to the MSFS forum and tinkle in their pond. Mom taught me better than that.Let's just ignore these obvious attempts to stir things up.Pete

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Henri,I am not, but there is a forum for this group where these things are discussed. Based on what I read - the switches will work and do their things but it will *NOT* be system simulation on the level of 767PIC or even DF737 - but these are product which go even beyond what FLY offers (specially the PIC).Michael J.

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Prince,I really do not know what you are talking about. Do you refer to my message or Michael's? Anyway, my question was an honest one. No hidden meaning behind it. Sorry if you thought so.Best regards,Henri

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Don't worry Henri, he probably addressed me.It only shows how defensive, insecure and narrow-minded some FLY users became, you can show a FLY panel on the MSFS forum with no major side-effects - in the worst case people simply brush it off and moive on, you do it here and it's major offense. Smaller dogs always bark the loudest.Michael J.

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Michael,Thanks for the clarification.Best regards,Henri

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Michael,I am afraid that some MSFS users are not so open-minded as you suggest over here; I experienced that myself some time ago. Anyway, it really makes me sad to see any sim-war related mail. My sim of choice is Fly! II, as you know, but that does not mean that I am not open to developments of a competing product, which I use as well at times. Of course, I very much would like to see more development taking place for Fly! II, so the only thing I can really do about it is contributing something myself.Take care,Henri

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Roger,To be honest, there were many days in development I had to sit in front of a monitor and "paint" stray pixels one at a time after they were converted to RAW/ACT format to get rid of them. I would first change all pure black to pure red so I could see where my boundaries were, and any near black pixels would be changed to pure black.Rich

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I believe this "system" thing is overblown! Can anyone tell me that all electrical currents are actually modeled as well as wire capacity including working breakers & blown fuses? I don't think so, as it seems that many breakers are not functional anyway.I'm not pushing for these type of electrical systems to be modeled, as it would be quite a waste of time. I just believe this whole system thing is really over-rated! Set me straight!!L.Adamson

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G'day Rich,Mate what an absolutely simple solution! I had been swamping the general area and hoping the pixels would be changed to black.Now why couldn't I have thought of that. :-)Thanks for the tip.Now I'll get the little offenders.Cheers,Roger @YSSY

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