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Greetings to all,I would like for all former and present members to visit once again.I need to have my memory refreshed.TIA,

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Refresh cycle 1:I still drop by every so often, even though I haven't run any version of Fly! in several years. Mainly I'm looking for any questions that might arise about InfoMETAR (as seldom as that happens anymore, given that Fly! II is usually in use these days, and InfoMETAR can't do much about the weather in that version).David Sandberg

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Actually, the real life weather updates provided by rotw's SBox is a real joy. Too bad that development stopped on Infometar....It's too go hear from old voices....tony

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G'day all,Still simming and enjoying it more than ever> I need to have my memory refreshedI have no clear recollection of that and decline to answer on the grounds that I may incriminate myself. :-) I hope you are all well and enjoying your simming.I have a bug that allows an aircraft to crash into the sea and be repaired back to the runway but if you crash on land you go to heaven - well as near as you can get (approximately 80,000 ft :-eek ).Still working on it. :-)Cheers all,Roger

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>Actually, the real life weather updates provided by rotw's>SBox is a real joy. Too bad that development stopped on>Infometar....It's too go hear from old voices....>tonyThat's what I hear about SBox. I haven't seen it myself, of course, but I always suspected that the way to get weather to work in Fly! II was to eschew the METAR weather system and dynamically set/update the global weather based upon the aircraft's location. Do you happen to know if that's what SBox does?I still think about doing something more with InfoMETAR at some point. However it probably wouldn't be something flight sim specific, but rather making it more of a general weather information program.I agree, it's good to hear from old friends! My years here during the emergence of Fly! will probably never be duplicated in my life.David Sandberg

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Hi Bill,I still check in and try to keep up on what ROTW is up to. Lots of other commitments keeping me busy and away from FlyIIing ;).

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Greetings Bill,In the old days I went by the ID of Capvideo, though when Avsim changed over the forum/server system we were told to use a different kind of login.My vocation went a little crazy in the last couple of years, so I wasn't able to continue work on a lot of projects except in spurts, mainly DB updates for navigation, some TerraScene work, etc. Regardless of whether I have any time for scenery or DB work, I still try to Fly! at least once every weekend. ROTW has done such fantastic work with aircraft development, that I'm still learning the details on some of their latest projects. Now, Roger and others are also adding great aircraft to the mix.I'm one of those that still uses Infometar all the time, and find that it does a fairly good job, considering the development stage Fly!II was in when TRI pulled the plug.The ironic thing is that there is still enough development and experimentation going on that it would take months to try it all and probably longer to become skilled in all aspects of add-ons, updates and creations.

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Roger,I try to keep up with your activity regarding Fly!. Keep up the good work.

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Randall,I remember the "Capvideo" handle."When TRI pulled the plug". Actually, it was "GOD" (Gathering of Developers) that cut off the funding. That caused much disappointment here.Before that, when Richard Harvey passed away, I was very sad and a bit depressed.

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David,InfoMETAR was/is a great contribution to the members of this forum and the Fly!ers.

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G'day Macflyer,I've been sitting on an aircraft release for about 2 months due to a few bugs. I've completely rebuilt the aircraft files from the ground up and have eliminated all bar one of the bugs. If the aircraft is crashed into a model (hangar, building, another aircraft) OR into the sea then when you hit the repair button the aircraft is correctly deposited at the end of the runway ready for action. However if the model is crashed into the ground then when you hit the repair button the model ends up at an extremely high altitude (80000 - 90000 ft ). Sure you can fly the model back down to the runway but even at emergency decent rates it's far far quicker to exit fly! II and reboot. I'm not a programmer and have absolutely no idea as to what the problem is. FYI The model is Mac compatible. :-)Cheers,Roger

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>G'day Macflyer,>>I've been sitting on an aircraft release for about 2 months >due to a few bugs. I've completely rebuilt the aircraft files>from the ground up and have eliminated all bar one of the>bugs.> If the aircraft is crashed into a model (hangar, building,>another aircraft) OR into the sea then when you hit the repair>button the aircraft is correctly deposited at the end of the>runway ready for action.> However if the model is crashed into the ground then when you>hit the repair button the model ends up at an extremely high>altitude (80000 - 90000 ft ). Sure you can fly the model back>down to the runway but even at emergency decent rates it's far>far quicker to exit fly! II and reboot.> >I'm not a programmer and have absolutely no idea as to what>the problem is.>> FYI The model is Mac compatible. :-)>>>Cheers,>>Roger I got this "repair it all" all phenomena just this morning on one of my Saturday-wife-is-still-sleeping morning flights somewhere in Paraguay but since I was testing different settigns and airplane I do not recall after Saturday-evening-is-my-wine-enjoying-evening-with-wife which model of the freeware one

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Richard Harvey was astoundingly "reachable" - in fact, so were other members of his staff. I was greatly honored to share in some of the work with the Beta team on the last patches before his death.Yes, "GOD" was certainly a part of Fly!II's demise, but wasn't "Take2" the main culprit? It's not really important now - this is still a great sim and has a dedicated group of users and some very talented developers.

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Hi Bill and all,I am still lurking. I occasionally post something if I think I can add light and not heat to the discussion (hahaha) I still FLY! occasionally but mostly surf the web sites for addons for FLYII and MSFS9. I still love FLYII and feel in a small way a part of it since I was fortunate enough to have been chosen to be one of the beta testers. This came at the time when I was new to simin and was thrilled to participate. Didn't have a clue what I was doing but I tried! Hahah,, fond memories!God bless,Earl

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Hi Bill and all others!I am one of those who really love Fly2, and has been using only it since it was released. And as long as ROTW and all you other freeware developers continue to do your fantastic work, I will be continuing to Fly.I am also one of those who, due to private life and work, has no time to do some contribution to this great community of Flyers. Sorry bout that. And by the way, Infometar is still "going strong". Mats

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> And by the way, Infometar is still "going strong". It's very heartening for me to see that some flyers are still finding InfoMETAR useful!I guess that some part of my misgivings about its usefulness with Fly! II come from my experience on the beta team for the final patch. If TRI would have seen fit to really allow the beta developers to have access to the sources needed to actually build new versions and test their work, I believe I could have made an enormous improvement in the real world weather support in the sim, and I was entirely willing to do so for free at the time. Unfortunately, TRI required that I only was given access to one specific weather-related source file, and that was not nearly enough to be able to ascertain what the remainder of the sources were doing with the weather info. In the end, any positive changes I tried to make in the weather of the final Fly! II patch were unavoidably sabotaged by this lack of access, so it was just really disappointing for me to see the sim left in that state. (Imagine trying to fix a car's starting problems by being given one spark plug that had been pulled from the engine.)David Sandberg

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David, I am sure you are aware of the new open source, Fly! Legacy, effort going on. Perhaps you want to contribute to that code when it's time....tony

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I've heard about Fly! Legacy, absolutely. Unfortunately the circumstances aren't the same now as they were during Fly! II's patch process. Back then, it was at the height of the dot com crash, and I (like many, many other developers) was unsuccessfully looking for work at the time, so I had lots of spare time to work on Fly! II code. Whereas now I'm very busy with my development role at an audio software company (my dream job, in many ways, since I was a pro musician when I was younger), and what little spare programming time I might have is going toward educating myself in digital audio related stuff.David Sandberg

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In many ways, we've all gone through life and career changes, and FLY still appears to be the thread that holds us together-- even if in some small way. tony

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G'day Randall,>Yes, "GOD" was certainly a part of Fly!II's demise, but wasn't>"Take2" the main culprit?As I recall it was at "Take 2's" unwillingness to continue funding that forced the early release of Fly! II and that certainly didn't help (but TRI were actively patching).However I distinctly remember a post by a certain person." I have never seen such a bunch of spoilt ingrates" Doesn't anyone else remember? Unfortunately all the old posts were "lost" in an Avsim upgrade.I think the Flight sim community could benefit from a bit of serious navel gazing when it comes to TRI shelving Fly! II >It's not really important now - this is still a great sim Yep, 5 years on and still going strong.Cheers,Roger

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I agree totally. On the rare occasions when I fire up a flight sim these days it is MSFS ... nonetheless, I visit this forum far more often than I do the MSfS forum. Fiy! was special, and so is the community it gave rise to.David Sandberg

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G'day Chris,Nice Pilatus Turbo Porter! Looks great. Good to see that Blender is getting a workout. Keep up the good work.Cheers,Roger

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