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Christopher Low

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I have just received an e-mail from Mark Embleton of PC Pilot magazine, indicating that Flight Unlimited 3 could be re-released on the SOLD OUT budget label very soon !!! This is absolutely AWESOME news.I will let you know if I hear anything else.:-jumpy Chris Low.

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Chris.Well maybe there is some hope for this old software after all.With all addons made for this sim over the years, it should be available again for new users.Thank you for the Good news!!Lars Peter.:-)

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Be nice if it included FU2 so users could have ALL the scenery areas to use. Still good news to all but those who spent $50 on the last used copies offered :-)

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Chris, have you ever discovered to a certainty who now owns the rights to FU3?In the normal course of events here in the States, when a company such as LGS goes bankrupt and is liquidated, a Trustee is appointed to attempt to sell off the company's assets, such as the intellectual property consisting of each of the programs. The object is to raise funds to pay off creditors. The Trustee finds a buyer and a contract is presented to the Bankruptcy Judge, who enters an order approving the sale. The records of all this are not available on the internet, but would be in the files of the US Bankruptcy Court for the district in which the case was filed, probably the District of Massachusetts in Boston.It is very unlikely but not impossible that Electronic Arts or Eidos had any rights to the intellectual property of the program itself prior to the Bankruptcy in May 2000. It is also unlikely that no buyer was found and the rights were simply abandoned, or we'd likely have heard that before now.Whoever bought and owns the intellectual property also automatically owns the Copyright, under which a license must be granted to permit re-publication of the game by any other party. So the party which newly publishes FU3 may either be the owner of those rights or a licensee of the owner. In any event, I'm wondering what you know about the actual ownership of those property and copyright rights?-Seadog

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Seadog,All I know is that a legal dispute between Electronic Arts and others (presumably people involved with Looking Glass Studios at a high level) had blocked any chance of a budget release for FU3. Presumably these issues have been sorted out...although I nervously await confirmation from Mark :-)I would be VERY interested to know how this legal situation was resolved.Chris Low.

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I think a clue to all this is Looking Glass Studios' Attack Squadron.If I understand it correctly, Electronic Arts allowed distributor Xicat to get Mad-doc to further develop it. It was sold under the Janes/Xicat label as Janes Attack Squadron. Several of the original Looking Glass Studios Attack Squadron designers seem to have been hired on by Mad-doc to help with their final product. It's obvious Jas was not what the LGS Attack Squadron or Jas team had in mind as the final product; but I imagine, as always, money prevented Mad-doc from fully developing this potentially fine combat sim the way they wanted. As is evident in their posting at simhq jas forum.So, looks like to me Electronic Arts is the "big cheese" owner of LGS old property. JimBI agree with you all about Flt2 being included. Timed with a Sold-out release, I think a PC Pilot cd with the Swiss, and UK Hi-res regions and their packages would be appropriate. And then there's the new Ai Model package! Plus the new aircraft in development by you guys, plus..plus..plus.......All positives, no negatives :-xxrotflmao

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Chris,I'd be interested in it as well, both from the standpoint as an FU3 user and supporter, and from the standpoint as an attorney who has a lot of experience with contracts and a modest amount of experience with the US Bankruptcy courts.Once LGS went into bankruptcy liquidation, the senior members of that company no longer had any control over the program. The company owned it (presumably), not them, and the Trustee would then have taken over control of it to sell it. If LGS had already sold it well before the bankruptcy filing (earlier than 120 days), that would be another matter. Either way, anyone (including EA) could be the current owner. Also in either case, the senior members of the former LGS would have no power over it.It has to be a very complex situation indeed for there to be a dispute between EA and any others over ownership, since part of the Bakruptcy process is designed to resolve that question. I can imagine a few unlikely hypothetical scenarios, but none could involve senior members of the former LGS simply by virtue of their having held such positions. That's because, in a liquidation bankruptcy, the company has to give up all its assets entirely.A more likely speculative scenario is that EA is the current owner, outright, of FU3. Further assume EA won't agree to anyone re-publishing the program unless the revenue stream is first dedicated to cover any losses EA experienced in connection with the first release, unrecovered advances to LGS, that sort of thing. That would be very unpalatable to a new publisher, but well within EA's rights to set as a condition if it were the owner. So my best guess based on hardly any known facts is that there is no dispute over ownership rights, but there are contentious discussions over revenue allocation with EA demanding more than the customary share.EA's position would always be growing weaker because market demand grows weaker as the program ages. EA would have to decide whether to continue receiving nothing in perpetuity, or to take what it can get today, as the passage of time continues reducing that possible sum. At some point, getting anything would be better than getting nothing. Perhaps that point has been reached.-Seadog

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Shelton,Hey, I'm only the messenger here. It's Mark at PC Pilot magazine that you have to thank for keeping me updated regarding this. By the way, he has contacted me again to state that he is waiting for confirmation from SOLD OUT, but that he is assured that it is 100% definite !I will post more info as soon as I receive it.Chris Low.:-jumpy

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Just to chime in...:-jumpy :-jumpy :-jumpyChris, you should have recieved my feelings on this subject :-roll Please keep us all posted :-waveRegards,**************Jonathan Point**************"I'd rather be down here wishing I was up there than up there wishing I was down here"

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Too bad there isn't likely to be any updating in the mean time. No adaptation to newer hardware or any software changes like the combination of SF & Sea scenery into one package... let alone the addition of additional (or updated) aircraft and/or scenery.OK... I know you guys have done all that... but you know what I mean. ;)

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The do sell FU2, now for 5 pounds. http://www.sold-out.co.uk/I ordered FU2 there some two years ago, but the order was never delivered. Neither did answer my mails.Afin, that didn't work out, and I never persueded the matter much.Erik Esveld

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Erik,That is very strange. SOLD OUT have been excellent whenever I have ever purchased anything from them, and their products are of very high quality (packaging, presentation, installation procedure etc).Chris Low.

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Got my FU2 through Sold Out about 2 years ago. Ordered it on the 'net and received it (in Australia) about 3 weeks later.Not bad for AUD$15, I thought ;)You should take up the issue with them again.:-waveRegards,**************Jonathan Point**************"I'd rather be down here wishing I was up there than up there wishing I was down here"

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The unofficial word is that the Sold Out version of Flight Unlimited 3 will be released next month. More news when I get it.Chris Low.

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Well eeven if its just the bog standerd FU3 like Tom Wunder says. Its still good news, I mean, I remember when Chirs low was toledby a magerzeen that thay wouldent print his artical on FU3 bicousthay thort it rong to print an artical obout a flight sim thatcould no longer be perchesd.Fortchoonatly that magerzeen changed its mined, but no one couldsay that agen if SOLD OUT start seling it.Lets keep ouwer fingers crosed.And legs, and iys, and every thing crassed.glidernut.:-wave

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Lets keep ouwer fingers crosed.And legs, and iys, and every thing crassed.`Sounds like the way I fly. Especially if its a low trip (fingers crossed), IFR trip (eyes crossed)or a long trip (legs crossed).I would love to see FU3 released again. Then we would REALLY have to tidy up the AVSIM library!RobD.

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The evidence is getting stronger. I have just seen one or two internet sites that are confirming Flight Unlimited 3 as one of several new Sold Out budget releases for March 2005.Chris Low.

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I have been corresponding with Tech Support at SOLD OUT over the last few days, and I have been told that a direct link to this forum will be provided in the technical support section for Flight Unlimited 3 on their website.I have also been told that the budget version is basically the same as the boxed copy, except that the relevant patch will also be included on the CD. I mentioned the problem regarding the intro movie, and they replied that they had suffered no problems during testing, but that they would check this out. Maybe the intro movie was removed before the software was provided to Sold Out ?Anyway, it's no great loss. Who cares about the starter when the main course looks as good as this ? ;-)Chris Low.

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Good news in some way, I just have to figure out what it is...Now for the but: if there are no improvements of the original package, as said above, what's the use? FU3 is still working on my PC, but the internal graphics code is by far outdated. No matter how fast the PC, I still get poor frame rates rendering the flight models useless when the weather gets complex... and basically any "new" aircraft use more or less the same internal code than the few default aircraft, no matter how good they look. To me, personally, FU3 is getting now very-very old..., er, archaic? The cockpit resolution, gauge clarity, etc. etc.Pieter

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The important point to make here is that FU3 has been RE-RELEASED ! To be honest, I didn't believe that this would EVER happen, so this in itself is a cause for celebration.Another important point is that a lot of flight simmers have never experienced the wonderful world of Flight Unlimited 3. It was an amazing achievement in its day, and it is a credit to the developers that it can still hold its head high today. I suspect (based on the number of copies of FU2 that have been shifted since it was released on the SOLD OUT budget label) that there is a rather large market for a decent civilian flight simulator that only costs a fiver. In fact, that low price is significant. It would cost a new user

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I second that,cheers,:-beerchug glidernut:-beerchug

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