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On May 27th, this site recommended using Download Accelerator Plus... "The AVSIM Library, as most modern ones do, offers resumable downloads. If you are on a dialup modem, nothing can be more frustrating than downloading a huge file and having to start all over because of a dropped connection, or timing out with the server. The best program in our opinion to put this issue to rest is Download Accelerator Plus (DAP) by Speedbit.Com. Better yet, it is spyware free!"Well, guess what? According to AD-Aware, which was ironically also suggested as a download, it found a whopping 55 instances of Spyware on my machine, after installing DAP."Spyware is a way of life it seems. Many sites add cookies or actually modify your registry to add tracking of your on line use. We think one of the best programs out there to remove these is AD AWARE by LavaSoft."Yes, it certainly is. Do you people check out what you recommend before doing so?

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Hi, which version of DAP did you install? I just downloaded the latest? 5.0.0.6 release, a little concerned after your post, but ad-aware didn

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Been using it both programs for quite awhile and have never seen anything like that before?Hmmm? Interesting.......Why are those pic's so blurry???Ed

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>Been using it both programs for quite awhile and have never >seen anything like that before? Same here. No such problems, no complaints.Sidney Schwartz [KPDX]

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Oh,I thought maybe it was some spy thing and we weren't supposed to be able to read it?Ed:-bluegrab

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Well, its very obvious that as can be clearly seen in the pic that the downloa- . < acce .,,r is ^,. ; - , tru^ ,; -| .,If the pro;., < o` ~gle ;^ * ,. fargus? .,?/ - p^ ;",<;>' if yo' '^.:,>'-+ t~en!OK?

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"Do you people check out what you recommend before doing so?"Yes we do. DAP does not have spyware embedded. I don't know what version you are running, but I can tell you that the latest version (and every version prior to that, as far as I can tell) is spyware free. I run it on my system, and have never seen what you have found there. I suspect the spyware was there before you installed DAP, and since you have run ad aware, that you won't find any more instances of DAP attributed as the source of spyware.

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Do you people THINK in the teeniest tiniest amount before you post flames and rudely unfounded observations directed at AVSIM, commercial companies or individuals?Geez Louise. Not to take it out on you personally, but this is like the umpteenth freakin post over the past two months that rudely accuses something or someone without a shred of evidence or any time in the least to verify whats being accused. It gets frustrating when its right smack dab in the center of your living room. Many call AVSIM, and this forum in particular, home.For Gods sake, find out if any information you have is accurate before you go screaming bloody murder about it. Specially when its not even worded politely! I try my best to stay clear of any of these types of posts or debates, but man sometimes it just gets too much.Sorry.http://members.rogers.com/eelvish/elrondlogo.gifhttp://members.rogers.com/eelvish/flyurl.gif

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Elrond, :-lol

WELCOME TO OUR(AVSIM's) WORLD DUDE!!!

And you (fortunately it appears) do not receive our email. You should see what people accuse us of... I should start a Publisher's Forum, where only I can post, and place in there some examples of the stuff we get. Hey, and I could also use it as a home for me to ramble, ramble and ramble!!! That would be kewl, si? :)

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Face it Tom, you are obviously guilty of everything. After all, why else would people accuse you of so much ;-)The good news here, at least I am off the hook now, since I have been told that it's always my fault ... thanks for stepping up and filling my shoes Tom :-lolMaybe the real truth will come out now, it is a conspiricy between DAP and AVsim, the spyware only gets installed after the 10th download from any other flight sim site, just to teach us the futility of going elseware for our fix :-eekRay

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Nothing to do with your current issue, but might I suggest you install Tiny Personal Firewall, which will pretty much ensure it never happens again, it is so secure, I thought I had broken my machine (turns out I was just being protected from myself) ...Take a peek at it, http://www.tinysoftware.com ... if you get nailed running their suite of software, I'll eat my hat :-lol

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Elrond: Try taking a chill pill, 'ey? And you have the nerve to define "rude?" I would pick apart some of the over the top commments that *you* made in your response, but it would probably be a waste of my time. And yes, I think in the "teeniest tiniest amount" before posting. Forgive me if that doesn't live up to your obviously superior intelligence. Tom: Sorry, but I deleted DAP so I can't tell you the version. I ran Ad-Aware before installing DAP, then immediately afterwards.Ray: I use Zonealarm, but will look into Tiny also.To those complaining about the image: Give me a break. Yes, I compressed and resized it, probably a little too much due to not wanting it to use up too much bandwidth. (See Elrond? I *do* have some consideration.) That was the best I could do. The original capture was over 200k.

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Well, in the interests of our "Editor's Pick" feature, please run ad aware again, then re-install DAP, and run it again. If indeed your version is installing spy-ware, then we owe it to our readers to at least point out which version it is doing it from. I am hoping that you will find that it is not a by product of DAP, but in fact, got there via some other route.

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Hi Edam,I agree... I flew off the handle for some reason. While your post was very negative in its presentation to AVSIM (who don't even write the software of course), my reply was just as bad. I apologize. There have been much worse examples of accusations towards something or other on the forum lately than yours... Yours just happened to be the one that set me off. Again I apologize.I do hope you understand where it came from, however. Not only does DAP not install spyware (I checked again today with the latest version just to make sure), but you came off as accusing AVSIM for some kind of wrong doing in recommending some external software that Improves your experience all over the net. It wasn't very nice. Personally I don't like DAP because of its advertisements, so don't think I'm defending DAP here.Take care, http://members.rogers.com/eelvish/elrondlogo.gifhttp://members.rogers.com/eelvish/flyurl.gif

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LOL!While its not really funny... Thats Funny. :-)You should do exactly that Tom: open up a read-only forum to expose the rude posts and mails you and everyone else at AVSIM receive. Do it in a light-hearted manner and I'm sure it'd even be entertaining. I also bet it'd be a rude awakening for many who don't understand why AVSIM can "seem" defensive at times. Exposing such dribble would probably help some understand the seemingly unpopular positions AVSIM must take occasionally. Heck, it might even serve to cut down on the amount of the crap you get in the fist place.Doing a "Hall of Shame" forum of some kind would be great IMHO. I'm saying this knowing that I'd most assuredly have a few posts in there myself, btw. :-)Take care, http://members.rogers.com/eelvish/elrondlogo.gifhttp://members.rogers.com/eelvish/flyurl.gif

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Tom, are you really sure? Do you have the latest version of Adaware? I searched the net and came up with this one: http://www.infopackets.com/freenewsarticle...nload+speed.htm . If the DAP5 license agreement quote is correct (I don't want to install and check it myself for obvious reasons) I'd say this sounds a lot like - possibly legal - spyware. I also found this article about DAP4.3 http://www.chip.de/produkte_tests/untersei...sts_162939.html by a reputable german computer magazine which lists "Spyware deinstallierbar" (spyware removable) as one of the "advantages" of this software. In the review text it says "Die Spyware l

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I am running version 4.0.0.1 of DAP. The BETA 5.0 may well do some funny stuff re spyware, I can't say until I download it and give it a try, which I will later today.

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I have been running version 5.0.0.6 for quite some time and no problems of Spyware at all... just the nagging commercial add at the top flashing at me... ;-)I removed one of my own posts earlier.... thought I should not publish my opinion... but I am tempted to put it back on.. if you get my drift !! :-outta Francois :-wave[table border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0][tr][td valign=bottom" align="center]"At home in the wild"[/td][td valign=bottom" align="center][link:avsim.com/alaska/alaska_051.htm|Don's Alaskan Bush Charters]"Beavers Lead the Way"[/td][td valign=bottom" align="center][link:www.avsim.com/vfr_center/mainpages/vfr_flights_main_page.htm]VFR Flight Center]"Looking Good Outside"[/td][/tr][tr][td valign=top" align="center]http://avsim.com/hangar/air/bfu/logo70.gif[/td][td valign="top" align="left" colspan=2]http://www.fssupport.com/images/moose2.gif[/td][tr][/table]________________________Francois A. "Navman" DumasAssociate Editor &Forums AdministratorAVSIM Online![/bemail: fdumas@avsim.com________________________

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Okay, just to confirm that DAP is worthy of being recommended by us, and in light of Edam's comments, I tested the latest version today.I backed up my old 4.0.0.1 version of DAP and downloaded the new BETA version of 5.0. I did a spyware sweep of my system before executing the installation file of DAP 5.0. I found no ads during the initial sweep. I then installed the BETA 5.0. Did a sweep - nothing. I then connected to the AVSIM library and downloaded a 500+Kbyte file. I did a sweep again - no spyware installed.Therefore, DAP will remain on the Editor's Picks and we will continue to recommend it.Edam, I strongly suggest that you do a sweep of your system, remove all spyware, run DAP again, then run a sweep again. I think you will find different results than your first attempt.

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Elrond: No big deal, we all have our days. I wasn't happy about finding all those Spyware files either.Tom: I have discovered the culprit. I repeated what I did previously. I first did a sweep and Ad-Aware discovered 2 spyware cookies from DoubleClick. Nothing unusual there. I removed them, downloaded and reinstalled DAP 5.0 BETA, ran Ad-Aware again, and came up with the same results as I had previously, then removed DAP.But I went one step further, and that was to download the latest Ad-Aware program and Reference files. I ran another sweep, came up clean, re-installed DAP again, and this time NO spyware was reported. It seems that the older Ad-Aware reference file identified DAP as spyware, and the newer one does not. Why that is so, I have no idea. At any rate, sorry for the confusion.

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Edam,I came up with the exact same result as you. Without having the newest version of Ad-Aware, DAP was loaded with spyware.Ed

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Thanks for confirming my results, Ed. The question remains...why did the old one report it as spyware, and the new one does not? It's perplexing. There was nothing that I could find on the Ad-Aware site that referenced that situation. I'm going to check the GRC site.

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