December 5, 200223 yr I've experienced similar sound experiences described thus far on the few flights that I've made, i.e. the slow delivery of words with distinctive pauses in between. It's not all that bad but it is noticable; it certainly does not interfere with the viability of the program :-)One item that I have noticed though, is that does not occur at all in the background chatter; it occurs only in clearence delivery, tower comms, etc. and OTTO.Sys info: P-4, 2.2Ghz, WinXP(home), SB Audigy Gamer card.No other programs running...-GeorgeM at 5B6
December 5, 200223 yr Didn't received my copy of RC3 yet but maybe I can contribute to solve this problem a little.I heared that there were a lot of files and directory to store wave file, I think THIS is the problem. To many files in the same directory and to many subfolders can give really bad average disk access time. We encoutered this problem on a huge SUN system at work just because there were to many files in a folder.I don't have a solution (maybe another directory architecture ...), but I really think it can be an explanation.In fact, this is a complicated problem because it's related to OS, hardware, filesystem type ...Best regards,Guillaume
December 5, 200223 yr I've just tried adjusting the settings in flight sim, setting everything to minimum, atc off, didn't have anything other than rc and fs2k going. Didn't seem to help. If I'm running full screen, and press alt to bring up the menu, the gaps between the wav's are normal again, but as soon as the menu goes away its back to pausing. Even if FS is paused, atis still had pauses. I'm running RC and all my external apps on my laptop now, and it works flawlessly. I dont have a simulatnious wavs option in my sound card controller, so testing that is out. HD isn't fragged enough to warrant a defrag. I'm running win2k and ntfs partitions, btw.I'll try playing around with some more settings.
December 5, 200223 yr Commercial Member keep us updated. somewhere is a common element, and this will snap into a place, and everyone will be happy JD Read my blog
December 5, 200223 yr It is the on-board sound card on my Asus A7V-266E MB.I am going to disable it and install my Santa Cruz sound card over the weekend to see if there is any difference.-------------Sound Devices------------- Description: C-Media Wave Device Device ID: PCIVEN_13F6&DEV_0111&SUBSYS_80E21043&REV_10 Manufacturer ID: 1 Product ID: 100 Type: WDM Driver Name: cmaudio.sys Driver Version: 5.12.01.0642 (English)Driver Attributes: Final Debug Driver Signed: Yes Date and Size: 10/15/2002 14:04:00, 379854 bytes Other Files: Driver Provider: C-Media HW Accel Level: Full Registry: OKSound Test Result: All tests were successful.
December 5, 200223 yr I dout it makes a differnce but I use NTFS for my file system and my sound card drivers are of the lastest. I have thought about updating my card for sometime because SB uses alot of system resources to run. It would not surprise me in the least if people using SB card have more of problem with the pauses.Capt.Richard Dillon (KATL)www.jetstarairlines.comhttp://hifi.avsim.net/activesky/images/wxrebeta.jpghttp://jdtllc.com/images/RCsupporter.jpg"Lets Roll" 9/11 -----------------------Specs AMD 1600 XP MSI KT 266t pro2 512MB DDR 2100Asus GF4 ti 4200 128MBSBliveCh Products Yoke and Pedals(usb)Windows 2000 Serivce Pack 3
December 5, 200223 yr Hi, My desire with this post it to try and be part of the solution, not part of the problem. I love Radar Contact.System:Alienware "Area 51" P4 2.2 gig1 Gig PC 800 RamVisiontek Geforce 4 Ti 460080 Gig 7200 RPM HardriveCreative Audigy SoundcardWindows XP ProfessionalDirectX 9 BetaNvidia 4072 video driverPerformance: 30's to 40's FPS all sliders maxed etcI was immediately shocked when I ran RC3 at the disjointed nature of the speech. Very slow and robotic like putting together of the waves. Once a wave starts, it is spoken very fluidly. Nothing at all like what I had known in all the previous versions. I know that this has to be some sort of widespread system problem throughout the FS community because knowing all the fine folks of RC3 and the quality of the Beta Testers there is no way they would have approved of what I am hearing for ATC. I have a slew of addons. Probably 20 of the most intense payware addon airplanes. Lago's Emma Field. FSNav 4.51 and FS FlightMax. Probably a bunch of other stuff I can't remember right now along with about 100 freeware airplanes. Gauges in the thousands. I have taken off all addon type sceneries. I have tried uninstalling the full RC3 version and reinstalling the minimum version with no change in speed of the spoken ATC. I have installed and checked the "debug" slider in DirectX all the way to the left with no change in RC3. I have searched all over to find the simultaneous wave slider in "Audio HQ" to no avail in my sound card settings. Perhaps it does not exist for Creative Audigy cards. The only thing I have found that brings RC3 into running fairly close to the right spoken wave connection speed is by reducing all video settings to their minimum in FS2002 and unchecking every possible video selection available. Turning sound quality up or down seems to have no effect.I have also noticed that if I leave the ATIS on after starting up and hit ALT+TAB to minimize FS2002 that RC3 starts whizzing away and the sounds are terrific for the ATIS. Perfectly put together in every respect.Installing DirectX 9 gave me about a 25%+ boost in overall FS2002 performance and much improved visual quality but no help with RC3. I previously had 8.2 installed. I have the sinking feeling that maybe I need to uninstall FS2002 completely and start all over again. Then again, I wonder if it's something completely unrelated to my FS2002 installation and I feel very reluctant to take FS2002 totally off and start over because it's such a pain to reinstall all of my stuff and I have to admit that I like all that stuff. If that's the problem, however, I will do so because I like Radar Contact one whole heck of a lot also. I have the feeling that a lot of us have a similar system glitch/malady that is preventing the quality in RC3 that is there from being presented to us.My deepest thanks for all the hard work of the RC3 team and the Beta Testers. The program looks just superb. Bob, Rogers, Arkansas
December 5, 200223 yr Commercial Member imagine my sinking feeling when i read about these less than desirable spoken words.i never would have released this if any of us (the rc team) heard what you guys are hearing.i'm working on things to get this problem resolved. stand by JD Read my blog
December 5, 200223 yr Hi to all :I also would like to advise you guys that I have the same problem for the sounds.I was running only FS2K2 and RCV3.My computer is 1.8Ghz P4512 MB DDR RAM.Creative Labs sound blaster Audigy GamerWin XP Pro.All the drivers are updated.Now I did run RCV2 with no problem, I do have FDC and no problem , si I think this have to do with the compression of the wave files of RCV3 but I am not sure. I tried all kind of setting with no luck.
December 5, 200223 yr Hello gang, First of all let me just say to John, don't loose sleep in reference to a sound problem. A solution will be found. This particular Gateway is a 2.5Ghz Intel P4 with a darn high-speed front-side bus (I forgot the bandwidth figures), 1 GB RDRAM and 120 GB of hard disks with a SB Audigy. If I have a similar voice probem I would be more than happy to expand all the RCV3 voice files and see what effect ,if any, that may have. I haven't tried running RCV3 yet but will in this case. Good luck to those who are fighting this problem.Regards
December 5, 200223 yr From a beta tester. JD put us through many different sound trials. At times RC was so slooowwww... that many of refused to test. We even tried Robo Controller. He was faster, but awful....We kept at it, and between JD and Scott, with Scott's wonderful tweaking, we all reached what we considered an acceptable level. I first ran RC on my P4 2.0 with a SB 5.1 and had no pauses, however, at times rc did seem a little sloooow.Then I switched to running RC on an old 2nd computer, a p2 300, through my home built lan, and RC talked so fast I have to really listen to make sure I don't miss the transponder code. I mean it is fast...So all this tells me it is resources on your main fs computer. If you can, go to a lan system, and run as many add on programs on a second pc, leaving fs alone on your main flying machine. The increase in peformance is amazing in both fs and the add ons. Any old computer sitting around can be converted into a lan for under 50 bucks....Larryhttp://www.jdtllc.com/images/RCbeta.jpg
December 5, 200223 yr Thank you lary for your suggestion, however I don't think to all of us have a 2 computer, and as I said on my previous message , I made sure I was only running FS2K2 and RCV3 , so I don't know if it is a machine problem ? I have tried all kind of tweaking and no luck still.
December 5, 200223 yr Minor update:I did a defrag of my hard drive even though Windows said not required. There was no improvement in RC3 performance. Well, I tried. Bob, Rogers, Arkansas
December 6, 200223 yr Hello Everyone, I just did an oscilloscope trace on a randomly chosen RC3 sound wave file. I used a new runway request WAV file as a reference. What I find the scope showing is a 750-800ms (0.75-0.80 sec) delay between the end of one sound burst to the start of the next sound burst. This time-lapse holds true regardless of the different wave files I have tried. I also found that the WAV files are not compressed on this machine and I didn't expect them to be. The only programs running on this machine, beside Billy's raw XP PRO system files, are FS2002 and RCV3. Even the Norton is turned off but it really makes no difference. This time gap seems to be RCV3 induced. Unfortunately it does make for very uncomfortable listening. Good Luck JD and the bunch.Regards
December 6, 200223 yr Tried my Santa Cruz sound card with no change.It does appear to be a loading issue. I turned down just about every setting with no change.When I switch out of FS the sounds are normal.------------------System Information------------------Time of this report: 12/5/2002, 17:11:13 Machine name: PADGETTJ Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp1.020828-1920) Language: English (Regional Setting: English)System Manufacturer: System Manufacturer System Model: System Name BIOS: ASUS - 30303031 Processor: AMD Athlon XP1700+, MMX, 3DNow, ~1477MHz Memory: 512MB RAM Page File: 144MB used, 593MB availablePrimary File System: n/a DirectX Version: DirectX 8.2 (4.08.02.0134)DX Setup Parameters: Not found DxDiag Version: 5.02.3677.0134 32bit Unicode-------------Sound Devices------------- Description: Santa Cruz Device ID: TURTLE_BEACHSANTA_CRUZ_WDM_INTERFACE Manufacturer ID: 1 Product ID: 100 Type: WDM Driver Name: tbcwdm.sys Driver Version: 5.12.01.4161 (English)Driver Attributes: Final Retail Driver Signed: Yes Date and Size: 4/17/2002 14:51:08, 545088 bytes Other Files: Driver Provider: Voyetra Turtle Beach HW Accel Level: Full Registry: OKSound Test Result: All tests were successful.
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