Hi Fellows,This week-end I will fly my return sector (Delta FLT# 31)to JFK from Moscow. I have a question about this flight into Kennnedy. Suppose on my arrival, the wind is blowing from south-east with a clear wheather. Is RCv4 programmed to use the famous 13L/R visual approach via Brooklyn bridge and Carnisie VOR along the eastern shores? If I choose to accept visual approach and runway 13s are in use, how will RCv4 handle this into JFK? Thnx

Hi there,If you wish to fly a specific approach the RC controllers will allow it, but will assume you know what you are doing so you won't be guided by them.Once with approach you can request any runway you wish.If you want to fly a visual approach to 13 L request that runway once you've contacted approach then there is a menu option to allow you to declare visual on the field.If you want to fly an instrument approach you use the iap option.All the best,John

>Hi there,>>If you wish to fly a specific approach the RC controllers will>allow it, but will assume you know what you are doing so you>won't be guided by them.>Once with approach you can request any runway you wish.>If you want to fly a visual approach to 13 L request that>runway once you've contacted approach then there is a menu>option to allow you to declare visual on the field.>If you want to fly an instrument approach you use the iap>option.>>All the best,>>JohnHi John,I was hoping it will handle it as they do in real world where they vector all aircraft, so they can use the VOR to the lead-in lights into 13L/R. Thnx

>Is RCv4 programmed to use>the famous 13L/R visual approach via Brooklyn bridge and>Carnisie VOR along the eastern shores? That approach (Parkway Visual 13L/R) takes you over the Marine Parkway Bridge (which connects the south-eastern part of Brooklyn with Rockaway Park) - not the Brooklyn Bridge (which connects lower Manhatten with the western part of Brooklyn). ;-)As John pointed out, you can request the full IAP and select VOR/GPS 13L/R (which follows the same flight path as the visual).-michael

why not ask for 13L/R and follow the vectors?jd

>why not ask for 13L/R and follow the vectors?>>jdYou are quite right. You could ask for 13L/R and follow the vectors; it would work out just fine ... however ...In real life the orientation of KJFK with Brooklyn to its immediate west results in no downwind legs for 13L/R and only a right-hand-turn from base to final. This keeps arrivals from overflying densely populated areas. Furthermore, a/c are required to remain east of the Belt Parkway that runs close to the shoreline. So for realism purposes only it would be best to either request/fly the published visual approach, or request/fly the full IAP for a VOR 13 L/R. KJFK is one of those airports that really has no standard pattern associated with its runways due to its proximity to Brooklyn/Queens and KLGA. Landing NE and SE you get vectored out over the ocean for final - landing SW you get vectored north of NYC or Long Island and come down for 22L/R. I haven't a clue how the vectoring works for landing NW. ;-) -michael

All,Thanks for the ideas. If the wheather and wind permit me do that this week-end you will be first to know about it. Thnx..One more...I will be using the real flight plan for that particular flight as I did going to Moscow from this website http://flightaware.com/analysis/route.rvt?...estination=KJFK It looks like I will be using ENE4 arrival, so during the approach and I elect to use visual to 13L/R...is the controller going to vector me or he/she will just leave it to me from there to execute it on my own? Pardon me because I'm yet to use the visual approach in RCv4 for all my 4 flights so far. Thnx

you ask for visual, you're on your own.jd

Beyond that, depending on what rwy the AI are landing on, things could get very interesting at the end of your long flight. Might be wise to save an rcd file just outside apch airspace ;-)

Hi, Doug:Following the RC4 manual you could bring up FS ATIS on COM2 to get what runway AI are using, I would suspect.JD:When makerunways creates the r4 file, it does not look like it extracts a field for runway properties where parallels may be divided for landing and takeoff such as at KDEN. So a version 5 request would be recognition of this (it is in the afcad which I know makerunways looks at) with this kind of field added to the r4 structure. This would help with both takeoff queues (ground assignment to the TO runway) and landing queues.Back to version 4. In your looking at AI traffic history, do you recognize and differentiate the runways used for takeoff and landing? I'm thinking of cross runway airports like KLGA where if winds allow the runway use is seperated between the two perpendiculars, one for landing and the other for takeoff, and if you are looking at AI patterns if you differentiate between TO and landing so you'll get a correct assignment from ground.Look like I need a KLGA to KBOS test.

we'll see. so promises. would you mind copying/pasting that into an email to [email protected] so he can file it away in his enhancments.thanksjd