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Guys,I am as frustrated as you are, but whom do all this moaning messages help ?I'm pretty sure the PMDG staff is also scratching their head what to do now, no one there will be happy about this.I think the unlucky thing was to encourage everyone to use a download accerator and that probably turns out to be the biggest problem now.I can only encourage everyone to stop using download accelerators to give the server more to "breath".Mike

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I have to agrre with ya on that Mike. Hey, all the guys moaning are trying to get the SU-2 upgrade--what about me and others who are still waiting to BUY the darn thing! :) that's really gotta be hurtin PMDG- no sales. But I will say this, sooner or later (hopefully sooner) I will get it.Andy

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Hmm, I know download accelerators only work by making multiple connections to the server and to mirrors.Well, mirrors are out of the question and restricting acces so that only one IP addy can connect at a time will fix the first issue. This way download accelerators benefit no more than standard web access.Merry ChristmasNigel

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I am not usually one to grouse and complain, and I have no agendas .. but I personally would rather have paid $$$$ for the upgrade .. really a VERSION change .. not a "dot" release, if the $$$ might have supported "normal business crunch" bandwidth. After all, PSS, Dreamfleet, Flight 1 .. and even the scorned and disliked (very unfairly I believe) SSW and Captain SIM hae adequate servers to handle anticipated loads. No one is PERFECT .. but this is truly ridiculous in 2003.We as lovers of flightsim and of high resolution software like the 737 are a CAPTIVE AUDIENCE .. what are we going to do ... say, to hell with it and not wait .. quite the contrary .. we are all impatient because this is 2003 and there are alternatives which if chosen whould have alleviated all of this maddness and frustration.For a publisher to actually come out and say this may take some of you a week before you can get your upgrade is I suppose commendably honest, but on the other hand is egregiously aggrievating .. in the sense that the publisher knows that pain and frustration will be caused,I only hope that this "gripe" will be taken in the spirit with which it is offered ... having been a "business person" for 35+ years, I know what customer satisfaction is and ISN'T ... and I also know what a captive audience is ...O well ... Happy Holidays to all and Happy 737NG flying, someday.

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>This way download accelerators benefit no more than standard>web access.I believe in our case, download accelerators are used in case your connection gets broken. Most d/l acc's have the ability to resume a download. In fact, it could be that multiple connections from one user are causing many of the problems with folks connecting... I know when I first downloaded the 737NG way back when, I needed to use one because my connection kept getting broken. I think the server/server's connection was and is to blame, as it is the *only* site I've needed to use one to get a file. I think this problem is rearing it's ugly head again with our current situations. I am SURE it's a state-of-the-art airplane, but the server/connection is of a little less quality. At least the initial reports of a functional airplane after SU2 are positive! -Greg

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By customers moaning and complaining a developer is able to gauge their performance. They usually take this data (at least the useful stuff) and find ways of avoiding it in the future. If all the 'little people' said nothing then the developer would / could assume that this is acceptable. I agree that a majority of posts (this one included) serves no realy purpose for you and I though. All I have to say to that is - don't read it if you don't like it!After all is said and done this is a payware aircraft and people need somewhere to vent their anger throughout this whole fiasco. I wouldn't dream of hassling a freeware developer like this (as I'm sure most of you wouldn't either).Put up with it.Rich.

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Why do people moan on and on about their 'rights'?This is a game for goodness sake.I also have had this from the startand as a PS1 user I take my flight simulation very seriously - but-it is not real life!How can anyone get 'very angry' about waiting another day or two.If this upsets some people I am glad that I amnot beside them in a real crisis in real life.I also am looking forward to downloading SU2 this week but meanwhileI have a lot of living to get on with -wife, kids, job, car,food,wineetc. etc. David

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This might only be a game but the money I used was REAL. People moan about their rights simply because of this. People are using real life money to pay for it. Rich.

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Yes, you have a point they are using real life money but my point was they will get their money's worth so for them to just relax for a few days.I suppose what I was trying to get at was for people to control their anger and frustration - meaning that if they can't havecontrol over a minor thing what chance have they controllingReal issues.Still this is all good fun, and it will all seem a joke in a week or two!David

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Oh I think people are controlling their anger. It seems like a joke now let alone in two weeks! ;-)Rich.

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No need to use capital letters and digging in threnches.But to be honest I agree with some of the critics.The 737NG is the most expensive addon for FS - and not freeware. A few % of PMDG income could have been put into mirror server. Satisfied costumers comes back. I have been waiting for SU2 almost 6 months and willing to wait another 6 months - but ruin 3 hours in a weekend I am not happy with.The 737 "as is" - a lot of beatiful eye-candy, but aircraft system I am not yet satisified with - and not to promised specs.(Been airborne only a few hours) In reality I paid $40 a half year in advance for the 737 I am looking for. Learned that I will never buy payware (from any company) that is less than a year old. That will keep me and the company happy.Final word: I am sure that I will be satisfied with SU2 in according to upgrade specs - and erase memory of what has happened this week. With the SU2 installed I hope we all start from scratch and use this forum what it ment to be - discussing how to operate the 737! :-)eker

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sorry to but in but your facts are incorrect :)>Learned that I will never buy payware (from any company) that is less than a year old. That will keep me and the company happy.PMDG have been developing for quite some time dont you remember the FLY series days???Mark

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"The 737 "as is" - a lot of beatiful eye-candy, but aircraft system I am not yet satisified with - and not to promised specs.(Been airborne only a few hours" And this is comparing to what exactly Eker? That's strange, our NG pilot said there is not another aircraft in fs that he has ever flown that comes close, but I assume you know more because you fly what? Best to say what you think is wrong, not some general statements that mean nothing.. There IS no other aircraft that comes close to the systems of this plane and I know this to be fact..[h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/betaimg.jpg

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Mark, I read it as he wouldn't by a product until it had been out for a year - rather than the company. May be wrong of course.Rich.Edited to fix typo.

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Read my reply in the To all the frustrated people... subject.....

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that could be true Rich :)Oh well time to have a few buds and chillBud----Wise----ErMark

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Mike,I think it would calm some people down if you said, "I have SU2 and it isin't that good so just calm down and stop moaning" Ofcourse it would be lying but it might help. hehe j/k ;-) Id still want to download it as soon as possible.Andrew "This is a hold up,stick the money in the bag and all copies of SU2"

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You know, I really can't stop myself laughing -- too many of the people that post repetive messages on this board act like silly, spoiled children -- never happy -- they want tomorrows thing yesterday. Some of you really do need to learn or grasp patience. Your moaning is doing nothing except push threads from others asking unanswered question, yet PMDG have to trawl through all your garbage to find they need to delete posts -- not productive at all, not for us and certainly not for them. You are really verging on being the vultures of the FS Community. $40 - WOW! You know it costs many many times that to have a shot at a real simulator, let alone a real aircraft. It's bringing one of the most complex simulations of one of the most complex pieces of machinary to your desktop and you just sit there moaning -- It's not the server situation that is a joke - it's all the impatient people moaning...grow up!

______________________________[bR]Matthew Murray,Boeing 737NG Captain.[bR]

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Matt,good post - My PPL Validation expired a couple of years ago. I am starting out the process of getting it revalidated - cost

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Yeah, I could get a 152 for that as well. However I am trying to save myself the hassel of getting a 4 seater Warrior checkout after getting revalidated. Also that cost includes all instructor and landing fees. Once I get my licence up and running again, the Warrior works out at about

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Thanks for reply -Randy.Guess I am the toughest costumer a software company can get :-)I am not satisifed with the DF either. My standard is set by PS1 and another Boeing addon (no name - may still be purchased). Working with 737series in real life does not make a FS addon company easier - I guess.Flying a real 737 flightsim once a year (since 1978) I have some idea how it should handle. Love to land manually. Even in gusts the 737 feels stable in pitch and keep the sinkrate approx OK is not a problem. The first thing I do with a new addon A/C is to fly it manually. Needed too much consentration to keep altitude. Had a glimpse to left and back again - the aircraft was climb/descend with more than 1200 ft/min = lost confidence in flight charact. Admit your 737 flies perfect with A/P & A/T engaged.Regarding a/c system - just check your SU2 list of issues of what is missing. Promise to be a VERY satisified costumer with a stable pitch fix and issues fixed.(will miss the OPT/MAX and TCAS though).Anyway - I know most of simmers out there love your 737NG - and they are right. Guess I am too serius. :-)(Yes I remember PMDG and FLY!. I was talking about a single addon not a company. Did not mean to be harsh to PMDG or other addon company. I know it take time and patches to get it right. But I have been in frontline for a decade and bought everything first day. Now I just want to relax and let other do the feedback stuff. Would it be nice to buy a product with the final patch incorporated?)eker

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Well no, it's perfectly ok, I just wanted to see where you were coming from. I have so much confidence in real world pilots opinions on this flight model that I will not get into serious discussions over it other than to say they are more than pleased and do fly the real NG weekly ;). As for non pilots, well you can only judge by the numbers, and it won't dissapoint in this respect either. I certainly stand behind my earlier statement, there is not another as complex and modelled as this aircraft. I welcome the die hards to put it through the breaking tests ;) [h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/betaimg.jpg

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I personally can wait. Is it frustrating, yes! But, this is obviously a very popular aircraft judging by the problems and all the griping! PMDG is new to the development of MSFS and I feel that they have done an admirable job. I have been with them through PS1, FLY! and now MSFS. I have always had great customer support and I have no doubt that they are working on a solution. In the meantime I have many other great aircraft in my hanger that I can enjoy while I wait.Incidentally, in the real world I hold a Commercial multi engine rated license with a night endorsement and have spent somewhere in the neighbourhood of $25,000.00 in real world flying and I don't even fly real aircraft now. That is a great deal more frustrating than waiting an extra week for the PMDG 737NG.Don't worry PMDG, I have supported you almost from the beginning and I will be with you for a long time to come!Regards,Richard RoweVice President TrainingVirtual Air Canada

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