> Bob,>> The Spoiler logic has changed since the 600-700. They were>modelled after the default aircraft for the 600-700 but this>did not always work as expected! Changes are these.>> 1] To ARM the spoilers set the lever to ARM with the throttle>quadrant.>> 2] To use the speedbrakes (ground or air) simply hit>/.>> 3] To retract them on the GROUND simply push /. To>retract them in the air push SHIFT /*. *See note below>> 4]*If they are ARMed for APP and you deploy them like on>descent, retraction by SHIFT / will put them back to>the INITIAL STATE they were (i.e in this case they were ARMed>so back to ARMed they go!). >> Another note, everyone PLEASE make sure you have throttle to>IDLE COMPLETELY *BY* touchdown or the spoilers will NOT deploy>automatically!>>> Hope this helps, this operation is not a bug but because of>MS's limitations the way it works right.>>>> >[h4]Best Wishes,>Randy J. Smith>http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/betaimg.jpg>>AMD 64 3200+ | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA>@535/1000 | WD SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 |Ok, RandyI understand that, but i would prefer to get that keyboard arming from the -600/-700 back.I guess if we make a questionaire, most people would like to get it back to what it was before.ThanksCheersMartin

After you move the throttle levers to IDLE PUSH THE F1 button at 50 RA. That will make sure you are at idle. Also please check you throttle calibration (slider for throttle) because many of us beta guys had to rte calibrate.[h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/betaimg.jpgAMD 64 3200+ | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | WD SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 |

Well Guys,I've read this post before I got the -800/900.So when I encountered the problem with the spoilers, I rememberedthis topic.Now my problem is: I dont use any external throttle, just asimple Sidewinder and the keyboard.The buggy thing is the spoilers get stucked sometime,and even when set to 'Armed', the green display 'Armed Spoilers'dont work, and when it illuminates, they're not armed.Worse, they sometime get kind of stucked on some unknown positionand this just make me impossible to aplly full thrust, becauseof the loud alarm, the same you get when the parking brake is set.When inflight, if I use the spoilers, they dont go back toarmed position, they go back to mormal 'up'.Can anyone confirm the 4armed Spoilers' light function correctly?Regards,Arnaud Solvay

Arnaud; You are describing the same problem I outlined in my original post in this thread. Clearly, the spoiler arming state control is not bulletproof...it can easily be confused...and I've duplicated it a bunch of times. During testing I verified that my throttle inputs were idle by running FSLook and monitoring the throttle positions via the FSUIPC offsets...they were at 0, and the PFC driver utility provided double verification. Sorry guys...this is not an AT issue, or a throttle calibration issue. 'tis a bug.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Washington, D.C.