Who you talking to, Tero? I'm assuming not me. Because its very obvious to anyone that has both these a/c which has the better FMC.I DO have both. So if anyone should know, it'll be me.Jonno.

I have both DF and PIC too...And for me PIC is much better... I really don't understand why you say that Jonno.

You talking the FMC or the a/c? The FMC for the 737 is better.Firstly the PIC doesnt come with hardly any SID/STAR's unlike DF's. You can't change the climb,cruise or descent speed like DF's. You can't choose speed or path descent like DF's. More options. Thats enough to make DF's better.

SIDs and STARs change all the time. There are many databases in the internet that hold procedures for the old PIC. I have hardly ever had to program my own procedures for it, and when I have, it has been very easy.You can do all of the things you mention with the PIC FMC (or should I say AFDS). Don't assume that the 737 FMC is 100% equal to that of the 767.The FMC of the old PIC was and still is state of the art.Tero

I also program my own procedures. But still. All things being equal, the DF FMC has more options available then the PIC FMC.Its simple. Its better.

Heh, you might want to give some backing up for that comment. What exactly is better in it ?Tero

Tero try not to take the bait so easily lolI LOVE PMDG....one of my favorite addons.on another note! I solved my VC FPS blues, appearently Active Camera had a memory leak, and it was the cause for the leak. All good now, I can pretty much hold steady at 20 FPSEDIT: fixed my terrible typingGary HayesLevel-D Simulations Development TeamNo im not a "real" pilot, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.P4 3.0ghz w/HT & FSB..GeForce FX 5900 ultra 256MB..1 gig PC3200 DDR RAM..Sound Blaster Audigy w/5.1 THX

Randy you seem to be very confident about this project you have even compared it with the mighty PS1. What is it the PMDG 744 will offer which the PS1 cant besides eyecandy features. PS1 is a pretty complex simulation used by pros...What kind of areas are you talking about that will match up to PS1?Alex

Now now Tero, you mean no engine out pages is state of the art? WHo is comparing? Equal is relative my friend.Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/Animation1.gifCaution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)AMD 64 3200+ | NEC LCD 1980SXi 19" | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | Maxtor 6Y080M0 SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 | Windows Xp Pro |

..." but I don't think it's>a good thing to say any one product is the greatest there is. >Competition is good. Keeps companies on their toes and makes>sure they keep making good products. I like having an open>mind and testing the waters and if the product is a good one,>I'm satisfied. I even went into the cockpit of a virginblue>737 (on the ground of course)when I was on holiday last year,>just to compare what the cockpits look like. Apart from the>color of the RL panel (which was a shade darker) all looked>exactly identical. >Keep up the good work>Goran>Quote from Bruce Lee>"I'll never admit to being number 1, but I'll never admit to>being number 2, either."> > I never said it was the greatest there is. I said real airlines have desired to use it for system training, so when you here fans of certain aircraft state their opinions remember this fact. While we have the PIC guys around here, here is what I have stated in regards to PIC comparing it to the NG http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=136&topic_id=66927&mesg_id=66927&page=3 I think this states the record clearly enough. I seriously do not want this thread to become a *My sim Vs. your sim* thread. As for PS1, it is NOT a MS flight simulator program. If you want to compare this try Aerosim system trainers, at least this is FAA approved and also "flys", PS1 is not FAA approved and NEVER will be. And for that matter how anyone can compare something with a price tag that well exceeds any add-on in flight sim is beyond me. But I will say it again. in FS there will NOT be another that will come close and I mean ANY.... Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/Animation1.gifCaution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)AMD 64 3200+ | NEC LCD 1980SXi 19" | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | Maxtor 6Y080M0 SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 | Windows Xp Pro |

Just to set the record straight from my end, I have never known PMDG to brag about being the best. I was referring to a few other simmers who were saying this.I haven't tried the PIC767 so I can't comment on this one. As for PS1...actually, let's not even bring that overpriced, geriatric system based program up.;) Now you're really teasing with that last statement.Goran

Randy,I was not talking about PMDG here at all. Who is comparing indeed ?But if we are, remember that we're talking about products that are _three_ years apart from each other (release time, now actually four). One engine out page doesn't really count for that time, now does it ?All relative, Randy.Tero

Sheesh-kabab. Its only a game! The PIC works fine. Does the job. Just that I prefer the SLIGHTLY better flexibility the DF FMC has in a few areas which I've already mentioned.Next you'll be saying the PIC FMC is better then PMDG's FMC!AS long as it gets me from A to B, hey, I'm happy.

Oh thought you guys were going PMDG-PIC lol. I seem to have missed the DF-PIC thing. Sorry...these threads always sem to levitate towards that arena, glad that it has not ;-D Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/Animation1.gifCaution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)AMD 64 3200+ | NEC LCD 1980SXi 19" | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | Maxtor 6Y080M0 SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 | Windows Xp Pro |

Hey, No problem, mate. I just like to hear the reasoning behind some of the comments I hear. I don't want people to get the wrong idea about things, that's all.happy landings!Tero