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There are so many great freeware/payware projects available for us. But I have a question?Why is nobody doing a 757?The 757 seems to have been overlooked for the longest time. We have 2 high quality A320 packages available. Plus 767 pilot in command, the PSS 777 stuff etc.Am I the only one longs for a great 757 package?cheers!!

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Piper22I'm absolutely with you on this one. The B757 is my all time favourate airliner.I too long for a full 757 package with virual cockpit etc, but it seems that we are in for a long wait :-(IMHO, the best so far is at IFDG's website (see link below) which I've gotta say is pretty good. The visual model and flight dynamics are excellent and if you search the Library, there is a Continental livery rigged up to the PIC panel with its own sounds etc, its not bad at all !!!http://www.4gigs.com/~ifdg/Best RegardsPaul Manton

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Well POS is working on a 757 series not sure when that will be done. Another developer IFDG has a 757 it's not bad but IMHO the fuselage is too thin and the plane looking head on looks odd when I put it up to a FFG 757 or the Ariane 757.Dream Fleet has said it will not be doing a 757 or 767 since PIC has the 767 done and it is the best 767 package available. IMHO the only ones who can do it right is the PIC team. With the level of realism we have from PIC 767 I just do not see any other developer (except for DF) that can produce the same or better quality and PIC 767.I too am a big 757 fan :)John

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Other than the FFG ones, there are a couple of others available (I believe all of these are avail in the Avsim library)..IFDG has several liveries available, and is a very nice model escapeair also has a wonderful AA 757, complete with very accurate sounds. They're also at flightsimmers.net/escapeairAgain, check the library, search for 757 in FS2000/2002 a/c.Dave

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I know about those, but I'm talking about one with a virtual cockpit etc. Seems like we've gone Airbus crazy!!!! Although I love flying those as well. Even PIC 767 doesn't have a virtual cockpit, does it?

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Agree totally with Piper22. The 757 is a fine aircraft, possibly my favorite of the modern era. I don't understand the lack of interest in this plane.

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>Why is nobody doing a 757? >Because there is already excellent 767 (which can't be beat) and 767 and 757 are practically identical as far as cockpit, pilot rating is concerned. I have no clue why people can't use 767PIC on short hops and "pretend" to be a 757. I would say .. it it is all in your mind folks. Therefore I see little value in someone duplicating the PIC team effort. Michael J.

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then why have there been 2 A320 commercial projects in the last 6 months? Plus a fantastic freeware one?It is lack of interest I'm afraid.

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I agree with Michael. I heard there are only one or two gauge differences between the 757 and 767 and some weight differences. I'm sure these could be fixed or modified so making a whole new 757 cockpit would be kind of redundent. I think the developers have realized that, too.[TABLE BORDER=0][tr][td]

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>>the developers have realized that...again, aren't 2 payware versions of the A320 in 6 months redundant?PIC is a great product, but virtual cockpits are becoming pretty useful now, and I think the community would embrace a nice 757 w/ all the fixins.

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Hey:The 757 is a wonderful plane... But a hard one to get right on FS. Very few have the nose correct or partially correct, and most are outdated. I don't want another panel, as I think PIC's does it. But I would love a GMAX model which uses the new features... All other Boeings have or will have accurate renditions on relatively recent technology but 757... Nobody dares, and those who do, won't come anytime soon. :( Oh well. Lots of good planes around, I guess I will have to wait many more months until I can fly a nice chrome AA757. :)Cheers,http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d45c0a74ed4e325.jpgAA RULES!!! :)Download my semi-photoreal AA 757!:http://ftp.avsim.com/library/sendfile.php?DownloadID=16882Aerolineas Argentinas A330-200 NOW AVAILABLE!!http://www.thevivcorp.com/~fyarepaints/MyR.../posky332ar.zipChrome AA 767 NOW AVAILABLE!!http://www.thevivcorp.com/~fyarepaints/MyR...osky767aaV1.zipDominicana de Aviacion 727-53C NOW AVAILABLE!!http://www.thevivcorp.com/~fyarepaints/MyRepaints/dom722.zip______________________________"Whenever you find yourself in the side of the majority it's time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

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Come FS2004, it will all be moot anyway. MS went with 3D panels only in CFS3 and no 2D panels. If the same holds for FS2004, all our 2D panel aircraft will be obsolete, i.e., the PIC767 (although I hope I am wrong).

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>then why have there been 2 A320 commercial projects in the >last 6 months? A few possible explanations. There was not a single Airbus for so long so finally you get .. 2. Also the quest for this "perfect" fly-by-wire A3** simulation is still on and as soon as someone finally gets it "right" I am sure it will close the A3** chapter too. Anyone trying to do 757 would be inevitably judged by the 767PIC standard - very hard place to be.Michael J.

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I'm puzzled by this one. :-hmmmThe 757 would make an excellent freeware project. We desperately need a gmax model with VC. It then should be possible to modify the PIC 767 panel to work I would think.I have recently found myself unwilling to fly aircraft that don't include good virtual cockpits. My aircraft folder now includes only a few aircraft that I actually fly, the PAI aircraft of coarse, and a couple of "lookers" like Mike Stone's Beech 1900D. Now there's another great candidate for a full package. :-)SteveCYYZ

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From what I hear, the 757 flies like a rocket compared to the lumbering hog when comparing the 757-200 to the 767-200. The larger 767s fly better than the 767-200 but are nothing compared to the 757-200. That came from the 757/767 pilot who helped develop the 767 Pilot in Command plane.

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hello,Well posky is coming out with a 757 soon.... I dont care much for vcs in their current state since you cant do anything with them. Every time you want to change something you gotta switch back to the 2d panel unless you already know the keyboard shortcut for whatever yo uwant to change (hdg,alt,speed, etc.). Hopefully Wilco will change that. In the mean time just make a good model.... Ill find the panel and sounds and Im good to go. :-)Andrew:-wave

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Well, don't put too much weight on a 767 and it is a rocket too ...When I takeoff with around 300,000 lbs (good for a 3 hour flight) - I have hard time coping with exploding climb rate. ;-)Michael J.

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I love the B757 too. Looking forward to a 757 aircraft with a 3D cockpit.Does anyone know: The B757-300, currently in production, does it have the same cockpit as the original 757's (and as modelled in PIC)? (I can't help but wonder, if Boeing had updated their cockpits to the 777 standard, if their competition might have been stronger in the race with Airbus.Thanks,Bruce.

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>I love the B757 too. Looking forward to a 757 aircraft with >a 3D cockpit. >>Does anyone know: The B757-300, currently in production, >does it have the same cockpit as the original 757's (and as >modelled in PIC)? (I can't help but wonder, if Boeing had >updated their cockpits to the 777 standard, if their >competition might have been stronger in the race with >Airbus. >>Thanks, >>Bruce. Bruce I know the 767-400 has the 777 cockpit layout (reason why Delta opted for them so 777 pilots could fly them). Also customers have an option on the -200/300 (767) to opt for the 777 cockpit/cabin layout. I am not sure if this option is available on the 57's as well. I figure new customers might opt for the new cockpit layout. But those who have operated the 57 and 67's before Boeing offered the 777 style cockpit will stick with the old as it would be far to costly to retro fit the current fleet with the new flight deck, as well as having to re-train all the crews again.Boeings goal is to offer an across the board same cockpit layout (from the 717-777). The biggest problem is they are now playing catch up to Airbus on this. One of the biggest factors to customers for Airbus over Boeing are the common cockpit from the A318-A340, as well as Airbus willing to discount the aircraft so much that they break even on the cost of building them.John

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I was wondering the same thing and posted something similar in the PIC forum. The 57 is my favorite a/c too, so I feel exactly the same.For FS2000 we had the beautyfull FFG 757 with the air file of Escape Virtual airlines which merged with the PIC panel with no problems!Personally I don't care about Virtual Cockpit since you can't do anything in it. What I want are realistic flight model & Performance (as far as FS allows of course) and ability to use the PIC panel with it. The 752 shares exactly the same cockpit with 762/763. I believe that with very slight changes in some PIC gauges (FMC, EICAS etc) the PIC team could have released a true 757 panel. But as the product is marketed by Wilco, maybe they are not willing to allow/market that. Best case would be to be released as a patch/update for the existing PIC panel. But again it may not be in the hand of the PIC team. They may want to do it, but got a red light from Wilco.George DorkofikisAthens, Hellas

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Thanks John, good info on the panels, I didn't realize that the 777 cockpit had migrated into the 764 already."....as well as Airbus willing to discount the aircraft so much that they break even on the cost of building them."I hear you, John- no way to run a business, unless you can get subsidies somewhere, or profits don't matter.Thanks again,Bruce.Boulder, CO

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Hey:I think the POSky 757 is not advancing. So 'soon' doesn't come into mind. FSDS is good for most liveries, but doing an AA in a GMAX aircraft really leaves you surprised... So the only hope is the IFSG GMAX 757. :)Cheers,http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d45c0a74ed4e325.jpgAA RULES!!! :)Download my semi-photoreal AA 757!:http://ftp.avsim.com/library/sendfile.php?DownloadID=16882Aerolineas Argentinas A330-200 NOW AVAILABLE!!http://www.thevivcorp.com/~fyarepaints/MyR.../posky332ar.zipChrome AA 767 NOW AVAILABLE!!http://www.thevivcorp.com/~fyarepaints/MyR...osky767aaV1.zipDominicana de Aviacion 727-53C NOW AVAILABLE!!http://www.thevivcorp.com/~fyarepaints/MyRepaints/dom722.zip______________________________"Whenever you find yourself in the side of the majority it's time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

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757, thats all I want, nothing more, I want something made specifically for the 757.--------------Paul Meyerwww.KryptonAir.comwww.LAARTCC.org

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I remember reading that new 757-200 and 300 customers now have the option of whether to use the "classic" 757/767 flightdeck or to use the NG (777) one...

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