Mark,>"Mike's statement is not referring to that (is it?">>But it is! The autopilots won't perform an triple AP autoland>while the ASA shows NO LAND3. The ASA displays exactly the>status of the AP's capability to autoland. So, with the NO>LAND3 or NO AUTOLAND indication displayed, you at least have>to expect a degraded form of functioning (and if that's only a>lack of redundancy in case of NO LAND 3)What I meant is: the statement is not about a one engine out situation.(which raises a new question: what happens when one engine is out?)Kind regards,Stephan Haaswww.lemont.nl/b767flightdeckhttp://www.pic767flyingclub.com/images/sas544.jpg

"What I meant is: the statement is not about a one engine out situation."Didn't you quote Mike's manual stating that while the 767 isn't authorized to perform an autoland with an engine out, the autopilot is capable of doing so (which would indicate that the ASA panel should show no compromises, or at least not "NO AUTOLAND")I believe reading at one time that the 767 needs two different power sources for a triple AP autoland. So as long as the APU is running, that should not be a problem. Was the APU running in that video?Regards,Mark

In the video, you see the APU getting switched off not long after engine start. Maybe the LDS 767 will be able to fly a SE ILS Autoland, but because the APU was off in the video we'll never know until the product is released.

Another reason to demand immediate delivery! :-lol :-lol :-lol Kind regards,Stephan Haaswww.lemont.nl/b767flightdeckhttp://www.pic767flyingclub.com/images/sas544.jpg

Please note, I am not sure if this information is correct (regarding the requirement for 2 different power sources for an autoland)I don't know where I heard this ;-)Unfortunately, this is not an area there are a lot of descriptions to...Regards,Mark

Mark,Look at time stamp 9:38At that point, with one engine operating the APU IS just beeing started again, as required by the checklist.The power transfer from the engine generator going offline, can trigger a NO AUTOLAND message.So you HAVE to push the reset button to get a LAND2 or LAND3 indcation after the power is restored.Otherwise you have the NO AUTOLAND message sitting there without beeing valid !!! and that is what I hope has happened in the video !Taking about that single engine ops:Here's another 'error'. Loss of an engine is an EMERGENCY and hence the pilot HAS to declare one by transmitting MAYDAY and not PAN PAN. Regards Bernt Stolle Capt 767-300ER

Mark That's correct.It's in the AFMRegardsBernt Stolle Capt 767-300ER

Just a question...is PAN PAN PAN used only in situations such as suspected fire in the cockpit and the likes? I remember seeing a recontruction on the Swiss that went down due to fire in the cockpit and they called PAN PAN PAN.

Bern, Do you have a personal vendetta against LDS? Fluck, you are bitter man!

I don't think so, he's just pointing out what he saw as irregularities on the plane as of that date when the video was made compared to the real world 767. There's no telling what the final product will look and behave like.

Hey Bill, Bern's post looks an awful lot like other beta questions to me. I think the way he words certain things might be because english is not his mother tongue? Anyhow, desiring something and asking questions is a good thing. It's up to LDS what is important enough to model or not. Master Caution lights I hope will take a back seat lol...I asked Wade over a year ago for a simple item and he fixed it, shows you the man is way ahead of me ;-) Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/Animation1.gifCaution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)AMD 64 3200+ | NEC LCD 1980SXi 19" | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | Maxtor 6Y080M0 SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 | Windows Xp Pro |

either way that wa smade by a beta tester who is NOT a real pilot. So maybe he got a few things wrong ;)And this was a old beta...lots of things have been fixed and done since then. Give the product a chance.Gary HayesLevel-D Simulations Development TeamNo im not a "real" pilot, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.P4 3.0ghz w/HT & FSB..GeForce FX 5900 ultra 256MB..1 gig PC3200 DDR RAM..Sound Blaster Audigy w/5.1 THX

Maybe he needs a disclaimer like on my tag lol. That "capt" sig is a bit misleading and the main reason I put that in mine...Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/Animation1.gifCaution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)AMD 64 3200+ | NEC LCD 1980SXi 19" | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | Maxtor 6Y080M0 SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 | Windows Xp Pro |

No, PAN PAN PAN is used when you have a problem that is not very time critical, or not very serious. A fire would definetely be a mayday situation!Smoke in the cockpit was not taken very seriously prior to the SwissAir MD-11. You can bet that any evidence of smoke in the cabin or in the cockpit would result in an immediate emergency situation!You can call PAN PAN PAN if you lose an AC bus or an IRS... Something that does affect your flight but doesn't directly compromise safety. Its just to let the controller know that you're handling a non-normal situation.Regards,Mark

I don't know Randy, to me is seems as if he is the all and end all of what is right and wrong, and believe me, I have learnt from first hand experience, that in a forum of any kind, this is not the most positive way to get results, or gain friendships. Forgive me Bernt if I have misread your post, but to me, they sound as if your angry and that LDS has produced a product that you would not purchase, even though you and the rest of us have not seen it. It seems a bit harsh. Well in the end, it will be your credit card that makes the purchase from Flight1,... Like the rest of us.Mine is ready! Peace