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Regarding the brakes:I made numerous runway and a few open-ground landings in the Duck during beta. I didn't find the brakes to be overly touchy because the Duck is a taildragger, not a tricycle. All the taildraggers I've encountered require finesse to bring the aircraft to a stop without burying the nose. I assume that the Duck is no exception.Instead of holding down the brake key, press it down for only a short period. If the nose starts to dip, let off the brake and let the plane straighten out, then apply again. In effect, you want to brake like an anti-lock braking system--in short spurts. You could also try some back pressure during breaking but beware that this will help less and less as the plane slows down.I'm not sure what it's like with toe brakes on rudder pedals because my pedals don't have them. If you have toe brakes, let us know.

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Thank you gentlemen. I am starting to feel a bit more encouraged.That and having just finished a DC-Airways flight helped considerably. I looked at my logs and it has been a month (last flight 7/26/02) since I have flown last (other than short little test flights with the Duck that didn't amount to anything).I am starting to have some suspicions that the erratic flying behavior is connected to Force-Feedback. I am wondering of the people who have had this problem, what percentage of them use FFB, AND, if turning it off eliminates the problem.I hate having to tell people to use someone elses air file when it works perfectly fine for me and three of my four beta testers. The one who was having a problem never mentioned anything about FFB so I don't know on that score. I have sent off some FFB cfg settings to a few people I know use FFB for some experimenting. We'll see.Regards,Heather

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Don't be too discouraged, Heather. I find it amazing the people who will read a many-paragraph post (such as your initial post in this thread) to gain information but won't read a ReadMe file when installing a new aircraft. I guess I'm still pretty much a newbie when it comes to installing airplanes...... I ALWAYS read the ReadMe -- for everything I install. You never know when you'll find some important instruction or piece of information that the developer wants you to have. Besides I don't think you developers write those ReadMe files just for fun. You'd probably rather not be bothered, but I for one am very glad you DO write them! -Lindy :-wave

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Same from me. Your Duck flies just fine on my system. I didn't notice the propellor "problem" and put the touchy brakes down to the aircraft, not you !I spent most of Sunday flying around in the Duck, and have to say that I thoroughly enjoyed myself. Give yourself a good pat on the back, relax by flying something, then reconsider whether you won't do any more planes - this one's so much FUN it would be a great shame if you didn't !Best wishes,

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Lindy, I'm far from being a "newbie" to aircraft installations and I always read the docs/manual FIRST, before moving a single file. Maybe just an old habit from college where I'd buy my books early and read them before classes even started. (at least the main points) Heather's Duck installed without a hitch and flys beautifully! I hate to admitt it, but the Pink Lady is my favorite! LOL I'm sorry that some are having problems as this is a wonderful addition to my seaplane hangar. :-)Best, Rob[table border=2 bgcolor=#eeeeee][tr][td]http://avsim.com/flightdeck/images/Radar_small.gif[/td][td]Beta tester for Radar Contact] the premier ATC adventure add-on for FS

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Yep, same here. No problems. I always take a new aircraft off from Meigs. Fly it off in spot view with only Shift+Z for input. (Old R/C pilot habit) No problems. Same for landing no problems water or airstrip.Do have some third party sceneries (not my stuff) in far away places and tried it there. Did find one scenery to toss the Duck around as has been mentioned. Don't think it is the Duck per se -- it may be the scenery/mesh used and the altitude combined with the time it takes for the model to find the sim scenery and sit itself down.Just some thoughts.Frenchy -- out.

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I too fly it off the runway at Meigs. I have landed at O'Hare and Midway with no problems at all. I have landed in the water at Meigs (with the gear up naturally)with no problems. It will land at Honolulu also on the runway or the water. Avsim base is a great place for water landings and takeoffs. I never noticed the brake problem because I land pretty slow and let the speed bleed off naturally. Thanks Heather for one sweet plane! Regards to all.

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S! Agree about the brake problem. Don't think it is a problem. Tail draggers do this to the ones too quick on the brakes. Do a search and you will find many photos of tail draggers sitting on their noses. Not only on the ground but on aircraft carriers.Trike gear has been called the second greatest invention of flight design. Actual flight is called the first. I think the brakes are just fine for the period modeled.Just my input.Frenchy -- out.

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Since the C172 (and other tricycle gear planes) are so commonplace, I think many are just not familiar with the behavior of the "standard" gear configuration. Taildraggers just aren't standard anymore.

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Thanks for the input guys. Having flown "real" tail-draggers, I can recall a few times when I found myself staring at the ground until the tail dropped back down and having almost wet myself. One learns to caress those brakes VERY gently.Didn't have to wory about braking in my Jenny; she didn't have any brakes, nor a tail wheel either. I used to enjoy developing my skill to know when to cut the power and roll to a stop within a foot or so of where I wanted her. She was a lot of fun to fly but, as with most tail draggers, and her narrow wheel base, she could be squirrelly and very unforgiving (on the ground) of inattentiveness.I have reconsidered the brake issue and, since I had only received one or two complaints about their touchiness, will leave them just as they are.Cheers!Heather

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Hi Heather,As one of the guilty people who failed to read the readme file I apologise - my only excuse was that I was so keen to try her out and just jumped into the sim and crashed all over the place. Silly me for not first checking the readme files accompaning this release.Overall the entire suite is absolutely excellent and the amount of compilation effort is totally understood. I again express my regret for e-mailing you with my silly question when all I had to do was open my eyes and read what was put before me.A humbled simmerGarry J. Smith at http://www.gjsmith.comAircraft Texture Tinkererhttp://www.gjsmith.com/images/GJS-banner.gif

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You're the follow who has those great textures on your site!! I was just there the other day (Don Moser sent me over) and found a gorgeous bronze/copper repaint of the default Bell 206B.Let me take a minute to say "thank you.... thank you..... thank you!!" :-smooch The default Bell paintjob was okay, but I get soooo tired of seeing blue and white aircraft, I could scream. The livery I found on your website is just perfect.Guys/gals, if you haven't visited Gary's site, you should really treat yourself and check out the beautiful textures you'll find there for lots of the default FS2K2 craft.-Lindy :-wave

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Thank you Garry,You are forgiven. ;)At least in your email you were polite.Oh, and thank you for the kudos. You put out some pretty nice stuff yourself!I believe I have the FFB problem narrowed down and will be working on eradicating that next.Before I do another aircraft, which I will build from the ground up, I need to learn how to work in GMAX. In the meantime, after I get a patch out for this Duck, I'm going to relax for awhile and get some flying in.Cheers!Heather

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Thanks Heather,I am pleased that you have accepted my regrets Flying!! now that's an interesting concept. The only flying I seem to get last only for minutes as I check my textures - spend so much time outside looking at the texture that I end up running into something hard, mostly the ground :DHave some fun and I look forward to your first GMAX - maybe I can shine her up for you.RegardsGarry J. Smith at http://www.gjsmith.comAircraft Texture Tinkererhttp://www.gjsmith.com/images/GJS-banner.gif

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Hey Garry...I did the same thing and I had to send Heather an apology too! (DIDN'T RTFM!) That was my once a week, foot in mouth, head up as.... well, you know! LOL! The only complaint I have now is the Duck isn't in Gmax, huh? Man....shiney metal and silver painted fabric! Look good in reflective finish! You could do a job on that one! I keep seeing all these new planes in chrome finishes. You can't do that anymore. More and more of the planes are composite and fiberglass. But the Duck was metal and cloth. Ewwwww! :)Don :)

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Woah, Heather, you're going to do a plane from scratch? Very cool! There are more and more tutorials on Gmax. If you need any links, let me know.

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I also agree. The brakes worked very well for me. Being an R/C and full scale flyer, I know the diffences between landing trike v tail. I actually prefer taildraggers. More "finess" required. Let the aircraft slow down on it's own, dance on the rudder pedals, and only use the brakes for turning at slow speed. You don't "have" to turn at the first taxiway from the runway.Don

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GarryI have also gotten many Beeauuutifuull textures from your site. Really enjoy the P-51 and C-47 textures. Hopping you finishup more on the P-51 noseart sets, especially the reflective versions, as well as ones for the C-47, and others.Are you going to do any for the Duck? Heather's two Star Spangled schemes would be beautiful if they were reflective.

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