Hi guys,Fly-By-Night.de just unveiled another product, the "generic flight simulator interface card". It connects by USB and acts as 8-axis standard joystick in MS Windows.Have a look at our press release (http://www.fly-by-night.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=48) or the product page (http://www.fly-by-night.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25&Itemid=39).The product will be availabe in the Online Store at www.fly-by-night.de on 29. December 2005. Price will come out on that day too.Best regards and a merry christmas,Phillip

Interesting! However, I didn't see a price and the online store was down.John

Price will come out on 29 DEC 05.Best regards,Phillip

Product and additional digital input board are now available at the webshop at www.fly-by-night.deBest regards,Phillip

>Product and additional digital input board are now available>at the webshop at www.fly-by-night.de>>Best regards,>PhillipUm. Did you make a mistake with the price? 84 euros for a USB joystick interface? Or are you nuts?//T

Looks remarkably similar to the Mjoy16 which I built. Has all the same features as well as 4 dual rotary inputs.I agree 84 Euros is a little steep. I built the Mjoy16 for less than AUD $80.00

Allright guys.To me there is a little difference between a product which was build in my cellar and a product which is good for sale.Remember, you have to deliver good quality and not any self-made 'trys' from your rooms. And you have to assure 2 years of guaranty for any product made and sold in germany.At last, you want to earn some bucks. Trust me, this is a good price. Don't believe it? Go and try to build the MJoy project (count your hours and failed attempts).Best regards,Phillip

> At last, you want to earn some bucks. Trust me, this is a good> price. Don't believe it? Go and try to build the MJoy project> (count your hours and failed attempts).Well. It's up to you to set the price of course. But you can also buy the MJoy *assembled* for 33 euros.Sorry. It's great to have new products show up in the home cockpit and personal flight simulator scene, but you could try a bit harder. Make something cool, useful and reasonably priced, and we'll be happy to buy. But please, we are not idiots. Sorry.http://tigert.com/aviation/vatsim/cockpit-stuff/hmm.jpgThe two products do look quite comparable, don't you think?//Tuomas

Dear Sirs,I wish that we keep this forum as is and not marketing place for commercial vendors. Please, manage your marketing some otherway. Thanks!Happy New Year,Joni

Dear Tuomas,i whish you a good luck to contact Mindaugas.If you would take the time to google a bit and read in those forum places you would know that it is -let me say- a bit difficult to get in contact with Mindaugas, who announced the product and never sold one unit.Now that we have rebuild this product and developed it from scratch it have to say that 33 EUR is really 'ambitious'. Even in massproduction cycles. I think that is the reason why he never replied to a single mail of roundabout 50 users who tried to buy one from him. I even did so.Furthermore you should not judge a product by it's pinout and layout. That would be the same to jugde a PC's motherboard by the number of PCI slots.Buy whatever you want, whereever you want. Good luck.Best regards,Phillip

>> At last, you want to earn some bucks. Trust me, this is a>good>> price. Don't believe it? Go and try to build the MJoy>project>> (count your hours and failed attempts).>>Well. It's up to you to set the price of course. But you can>also buy the MJoy *assembled* for 33 euros.>>Sorry. It's great to have new products show up in the home>cockpit and personal flight simulator scene, but you could try>a bit harder. Make something cool, useful and reasonably>priced, and we'll be happy to buy. But please, we are not>idiots. Sorry.>>http://tigert.com/aviation/vatsim/cockpit-stuff/hmm.jpg>>The two products do look quite comparable, don't you think?>>//Tuomas>Yep! They sure look "comparable". I wonder what the "digital input board" module "compares" to - LOL! The image is not available on the store, but it would be nice to see a shot of that too This reminds me of some other unfortunate "episodes" of blatant plagiarism by some of the members of our community.It is frustrating to see uneducated and untalented amateurs recoursing to plagiarism or downright reverse-engineering and claim that their work is "original" or based on "public domain" while trying to make a buck on our backs. It does not take long to expose the fraud and one does not need to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out who the fraud is.At the time, the forum admin was quick to shut the thread down. I claim that these cases should be pinned at the top of the forum as a warning to all wannabe-frauds in the future - and their potential victims: us.What a sad way to greet 2006!

Yep, they obviously are the same design - even to the PCB layout.Fly by night seems an apt' name... ;)

> Go and try to build the MJoy project> (count your hours and failed attempts).I did and I have, just havent got round to tallying up the total in time and dollars (have kept all the receipts for that purpose, just to lazy to add them up :) )Isnt that what home cockpit building is all about tho, building it yourself? Failing, trying again and then the cry from the workshop "YOU BLOODY BEAUDY !! IT WORKS" (said with an ozzy accent!)I found a circuitboard layout that combines the controller with the keymatrix, which will be my next project, so that the 'birds nest' of wiring inside the box can be tidied up. Will probably have to have 2 or 3 attempts at that!I dont want to start a flame match here, I just wanted to make the comment that it looked the same as another design which I built for a #### of a lot cheaper that seems to have more features.Oh and by the way, it works flawlessly with ALL 64 pushbuttons, 16 double action toggles, and 4 rotary inputs able to be used for FS. Havent used the analogue inputs, but they are there) I hardly touch the mouse/keyboard now, even for tuning the com stack whilst flying online.

WOW...A Picture (or in this case, 2 pictures) are worth a thousand words.Having designed, built and offered for sale numerous sim cards of my own, I'd have to say that one is definitely a rip-off of the other. The least the copy-cat could have done was alter the ground plane on the circuit board... however they are identical.One could argue that certain designs tend to be identical in nature, requiring the same components and layout but the dead give-away is the layout of the plugs. Identical. ...could have saved a bunch of production-run costs right there by making the card smaller and grouping the plugs closer... seems to be plenty of room for that.

"I found a circuitboard layout that combines the controller with the keymatrix"Would you like to share that layout? I was thinking to draw one myself, but there is plenty other tings I can make on my simpit instead of making a layout that already exist.