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I have read the first part of AVSIM's CFS3 review and I find "Who is fooling who" here? Are we fligt simulator lovers or like we a more complex "Point and shoot" game? Avsim's review start let presume we go to have some review that isn't on his place here but on a real game site. Sorry! How great is the influence of M$ on AVSIM ?hm.

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Huh ?!??!I am having hard time understanding a word of what you are saying. God forbid you ever write a review ...Michael J.

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I believe that MS made the CFS3 to appeal more to the kids and teenage "arcade" type of audiance. We all know that MS doesnt do a good job on flight dynamics. But in the CFS versions is understood. I wouldnt think that a 13 or 17 year old that cares about "point and shoot" would care abouth the flight dynamics of a plane, because CFS is an arcade game and all you do is shoot planes down and get in a dog fight! I dont think in that respect MS care about aviantion fanatics like us! Only in FS they do, because FS is a Flight Simulator and aviation fanatics and wanabees, and pilots use FS.Hope this helps,Dj_Reza

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That was part 1 of a 6 part review.And... "How great is the influence of M$ on AVSIM?" Assuming you mean in the editorial sense: nil, zip, zilch, nada -- we would be thoroughly idiotic to do anything else.

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Hi,I also read the review, and to me it seams that Microsoft with CFS3 are heading more to a role playing game than a simulator. My feeling is getting more and more to the conclusion to not buying CFS3.And if this also will effect future Flight Simulators, I am deeply concerned.Am I wrong here?Fly safe, :-waveStaffan AhlbergFreeware Flight Group

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To Microsoft, Flight Simulator has always been a game. Look, you have it installed under Program FilesMicrosoft Games...They made it as a game, people don't want it to be.Kitty MercuryCathay Pacific Virtual Pilot (CX252)

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I suspect more people buy FS and CFS as games than as serious simulators. The serious simmers are a vocal group, but not the largest group.

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Arcade games belong on XBOX or PS2 but I would suggest this version isn't even up to those standards.SteveCYYZ

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>Hi, >>I also read the review, and to me it seams that Microsoft >with CFS3 are heading more to a role playing game than a >simulator. My feeling is getting more and more to the >conclusion to not buying CFS3. >>And if this also will effect future Flight Simulators, I am >deeply concerned. >>Am I wrong here? No your not. Whatever the future of GA flight simulators in general, Microsoft is taking us there. At this point in time.

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Hmmm, they dont like it at all do they ? Niether do a lot of others.As somebody said if this is what is to be expected with 2004...MS have not changed policy at all, remember 1 good release, 1 bad. Where are the development team ? Did the BETA testers concerns go over MS's arrogant head. Or was it tested ?When 2002 came out everybody said WOW, anybody who used Falcon had been using very similar technology for ages prior. (As it was pointed out to me) 3DS modelling, AI aircraft. MS have produced nothing new for ages. I cant see them gaining me as a customer for CFS3 and on the release of 2004, I'll wait for quite a while before putting a toe in, I've been dissapointed all to often.GeorgeStill waiting for a 2002 patch...ooops sorry Bill it must be just me who wants one, your guys say it doesnt need one.

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Perhaps you would be well advised to read the post "Simming and Drinking" ;-)

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>To Microsoft, Flight Simulator has always been a game. >Look, you have it installed under Program FilesMicrosoft >Games... >>They made it as a game, people don't want it to be. >They DIDN'T make FS2002 as just a "game". It incorporates REAL aviation databases ---- navigation and airports. As well as topography, real weather, and more.L.Adamson

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Hey:I think the problem is for some reason people expected too much. I mean, I knew what I expected, CFS3 pleased my expectations. All in all and with its flaws, I think it's a good sim for what I paid, and for how it operates in general. I do laugh a lot when people compare CFS3 to FS98. :-lol Hyperbole - that's what is happening all over these forums.Daniel Pimentel.AA RULES!!! :)Download my semi-photoreal AA 757!:http://ftp.avsim.com/library/sendfile.php?DownloadID=16882Aerolineas Argentinas A330-200 NOW AVAILABLE!!http://www.thevivcorp.com/~fyarepaints/MyR.../posky332ar.zipChrome AA 767 NOW AVAILABLE!!http://www.thevivcorp.com/~fyarepaints/MyR...osky767aaV1.zipDominicana de Aviacion 727-53C NOW AVAILABLE!!http://www.thevivcorp.com/~fyarepaints/MyRepaints/dom722.zip______________________________"Whenever you find yourself in the side of the majority it's time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

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I will stay with IL-2. There is not enough time to do the download/addon thing like in FS2002. Even that has gotten tedious. I have moved on to racing sims.Tony

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Just one off-topic reply from me... Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit 2 on PS2 ROCKS!!! >:-) :-rotor :-scatter

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I quite honestly enjoy combat sims . I have waited to get a new computer and now find there is nothing to run on it in this genre , and nothing on the horizon. Why is that? I am looking forward to this 2002 pro experience and the "real" aspect of flying. I hope i can get up to speed quickly. Mike

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Hi LAdamson.Your point hits it on the head.CFS3 will never be able to incorporate anything we have taken for granted with the FS series, that actually qualifies it as a simulator.CFS2 was an improvement on FS2000. With some addons it qualifies nicely as a simulator, as well as a combat game.Users of CFS2 hoped for a true combat simulator... just like FS2002, but with guns and bombs. :)What MS delivered was a game, with little simulation value. Also with little prospect of anything concerning simulation to ever be added on. There will be game addons ( effects, weapons, missions, planes... ), but forget weather, terrain, airfields, VOR, etc...Additionally, the crisp graphics and terrain we see in FS2002 ( and CFS2 ) are no more. Blocky, angular terrain, muddied textures, and in many cases, very poor graphics performance.. even on highend machines.There are already some very vocal CFS3 fans. I'm glad they like the game. I was hoping for a sim.Dick

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I'm a happy former CFS3 owner. I actually felt relieved when I got rid of it and got my money back. I really enjoy FS2002 amd ACE Combat 4 on my PS2.Happy Jet Trails To Youflyking

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I love it. The first installment of the review basically covered installation, support documents and an overview of the role-playing dynamic campaign features. From this, we are supposed to believe that Avsim is some kind of appologist for Microsoft? Microsoft makes games in order to make money. The enthusiasts who frequent this site and these forums are a very small subset of the larger audience for these games. Microsoft has to appeal to a much larger audience in order to justify the costs of developing its flight sim products.If we are looking for a villain it is X-Box/PS2/Nintendo. I spoke with the Biz Dev guy from Microsoft for CFS at the conference in Reno (ex-commercial airline pilot who clearly loves aviation and airplanes - not some corporate suit/bean counter) who said that their budgets and staff were frozen about a year ago, and all the money is going into console games. It's a trend across the entire game industry which is really bad news for flight sim addicts. I don't see how you could pull off MSFS2002 on X-Box, though combat sims that don't require sophisticated avaionics might be successfully adapted. It's a good thing that FS2002 is as good as it is, and that there is a 2004 on the horizon. After that, who knows?

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Would someone explain to me why 2002 does not have landing lights when fs98 had good ones?I have over 8000 hrs RW jet time and I have still to understand how they expect ANYONE to be able to navigate around an airport, let alone land without those lights. Wake up M$, another step backward.FS98 had great video playback, FS2000 sucked, not many things indicated correctly, like gear up, engine instruments only showing idle indications.Along comes 2002 and the video playback for a short flight is 10 MbSomeone's elevator does not go to the top floor.In other words the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.bobg

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