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Hi All,Many of you have taken my advice to use Ad-Aware Software to remove spyware. I am now rescinding my advice for the time being. They have admitted that their engine no longer can be kept current of the latest mutations.(Last Ad-Aware Ref File Update 9/24/2002)I am recommending Spybot Search and Destroy. (FREEWARE)Available Here:http://security.kolla.de/Once Ad-Aware comes out with a newer version, I'll check it out and advise, so until then, I suggest you remove it for the time being and switch over to Spybot Search and Destroy.If you have it, do this.1) Run Ad-Aware2) Get Spybot S&D3) Tell me how many new instances Spybot picked up that LavaSoft did not.Story Link:http://www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/arch...02/12252002.phpHope This Helps,JoePS- read LavaSoft's Response Here:http://www.lavasoftsupport.com/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=1868Here is my new sig...You Like it? :-lol :-lol.http://home.attbi.com/~sonar5/sig1.jpg.Here are Picture Galleries of My Trip out west in 2002..Gallery #1 Pima Air & Space Museum + AMARC (Boneyard) at Davis Monthan AFB, Tucson, Arizona. (over 240 Pictures)http://www.pbase.com/sonar5/pimaamarc

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Hmmm on the Spybot page it says that it removes C-DILLA.That, I'm afraid, would disable the CD checking of the Flight deck Companion (!!!).

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I have adaware and NAV both with the latest definitions on my dialup computer that is my internet server to several other computers in my house and also is my second FS computer using widefs for Radar Contact 3, activesky, ect.I had a backdoor trojan virus on this Windows 2000 system that loaded adobea.exe at startup and was constantly sending a small amount of data from my system. Neither NAV or Adaware detected it. It created a directory in my Windows root directory call hf. I still dont know If I am rid of it. I deleted the hf directory and installed Norton Firewall and it hasnt come back but from what I have read it modifys your registry and will attempt to reinstall itself. The way I discovered is when I booted the computer I got a error saying Windows is attempting to connect to "bleck123nailed.org" and tried to dial my modem automatically.Im really dissapointed with both softwares and am looking for an alternative myself.Dennis

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I don't think that either Norton Anti-virus or Ad-Aware should be relied on for protection against trojans.Despite what the marketing blurbs may scream, just look at the name of the software; "Norton Anti-virus." It's principal purpose is to detect and remove viruses (virii). NAV occassionally detects some trojans but it also misidentifies them; making their removal that more difficult.Many times you'll get warnings that NAV has detected and removed a trojan; but then after rebooting you'll get the same warning again. If the trojan were actually removed you shouldn't be getting repeated warnings.Ad-aware also is not designed for trojans; but rather to detect spyware; there is a difference between trojans and spyware also trojans can also be used to spy.For trojans you need specialized anti-trojan software such as:Trojan Defense Suite from http://tds.diamondcs.com.au/BOClean available from http://www.nsclean.com/boclean.htmlThere are others packages such as Tauscan and The Cleaner; but TDS and BOClean are superior to all the others.

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Hi,actually this thread makes me wonder what is the benefit of anti-adware programs compared to a firewall? For example, Norton Personal Firewall has an option to block any unwanted communication and prompt the user each time for selecting the action to take (block/allow/create rule). This works with incoming and outgoing communications. As such, if you got infested with a Trojan, or an adware program, you get immediatly informed about the communication attempt, could block it, then eradicate it or at least, set a permanent rule to BLOCK. Any one with both experience to help me better understand?Thanks.

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Joe:Thank you for informing us about SpyBot. I did what you asked, and Ad-Aware reported no spyware, then ran SpyBot and found 20 or 30 Spyware programs that had gone previously without detection! All were removed without incident or consequence.The software is safe in that it describes the offending programs in terms of what is spyware and what is being used to run your system, so as long as you do not skip studying the analyzed files a little, it's difficult to remove something you shouldn't. I find this software extremely helpful. And best of all, in the true spirit that is flight simming, its freeware! Thanks Joe, Alex ChristoffN562ZMinneapolis, MNThermobulb@aol.com

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I have been using Spybot for several months now...it has never tried to remove C-Dilla as far as I know. I use FDC and have no issues.Regards,Chris

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I found that most of what SpyBot reports that AdAware does not are usage history items that could be exploited by spyware, rather than spyware itself.I got 20-30 reports, but only a couple were cookies that AdAware did not detect and one was an add server app for WeatherBug (which doesn't run for me anyway as I paid for the no-ads version). The rest were just things like IE URL histories and application recently-opened-file lists. I find such histories useful and time-saving, so I do not choose to delete them.

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Thx a lot for the hint. I ran Spybot and found a lot of crazy stuff that I already had deleted manually but still resided in the registry and stuff. The only difference to ad-aware is that you really have to study a bit what you are deleting. But if you wanna be save you can still make a backup of the registry or even make a system restore point. Thx again for the hint.Very nice program.Alex

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VERY interesting reading.I have a few security programs installed, virus, firewall, internet security, and a spyware removal program (by Ontrack).I've tried to d/l this new Spybot to see if it finds any new files, seeing as my security programs quite often prompt when there has been unauthorised access to my pc ie. backdoor trojans etc.Can someone please supply me with a DIRECT link to this file for d/l because i've been to their d/l pg. and there doesn't seem to be anything related to a file.CheersWill

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Will,For some reason, I am getting the same thing...no link to download it all of a sudden. I have it and will send it to you if possible.Oops! Sorry. I didn't see a way to attach a file.

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The mirrors came up blank on the Spybot site. No confusion, just no links. I'm sure it's just temporary.

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Direct Link to Download:http://www.soft-ware.net/cgi-bin/download....=spybotsd11.exeHappy To Help,Joe :-waveHere is my new sig...You Like it? :-lol :-lol.http://home.attbi.com/~sonar5/sig1.jpg.Here are Picture Galleries of My Trip out west in 2002..Gallery #1 Pima Air & Space Museum + AMARC (Boneyard) at Davis Monthan AFB, Tucson, Arizona. (over 240 Pictures)http://www.pbase.com/sonar5/pimaamarc

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Hi All,I have been using this prog for about a Month and recommend it to everyone (thanks again Joe)...The last time I d/l it on a friends PC it found 114 instances of spyware - one of which (VX2) required a reboot after it found it... guess what SPYBOT came right up before windows loaded - identified it and gave me the option to remove it (yeah!!!)Really neat software and deserves our (FS Community) support (I think its donation-ware!), oh, and it get's rid of DOUBLECLICK cookies too, which some sites like to place on your PC :) :) :)Go do some cleanin' the do some flyin! (betchya frame-rates are better! :-lol)Terry

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So THAT's why my FDC keeps asking me to put the cd in!!! I saw this c-dilla folder on my drive an deleted it because I had no idea what it was....thought it was some kind of spyware thing. Geez.....!!!!!!Sidney Schwartz [KPDX]MyTraffic/Radar Contact/FSMeteo/FSSE/FSassist/FDCHorizon Flights--flight plans and scenery for FS2002http://sidneyschwartz.homestead.com/index.html

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Here is some research on C-DillaLet the readers decide. Me. I won't have it on my system. http://www.privacyandspying.com/privacy-c_dilla.htmlhttp://www.privacyandspying.com/c_dilla_install_report.htmlRegards,Joe :-)Here is my new sig...You Like it? :-lol :-lol.http://home.attbi.com/~sonar5/sig1.jpg.Here are Picture Galleries of My Trip out west in 2002..Gallery #1 Pima Air & Space Museum + AMARC (Boneyard) at Davis Monthan AFB, Tucson, Arizona. (over 240 Pictures)http://www.pbase.com/sonar5/pimaamarc

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Hi All,As a follow-up, so me will be wondering what spyware is. here is a primer for you:Quite simply spyware are little programs sometimes installed on your system without your knowledge or even sometimes without your permission.Some of these programs collect information about your browsing habits, computer configurations, etc... and send that info back to the requestor.Some of these will direct pop-up ads when you visit web sites, where if the spyware was not installed, you would never have had the pop-up ad.It can be quite a complicated issue. For example, when I pull my Yahoo email, my pages load very slowly, because I don't allow any of the ads to load up, and I suspect there is a delay set up in their software because yahoo keeps making requests of my machine, and my machine keeps saying no.The first step is education. I would not run out and start using these programs as my post was simply telling people that already use Ad-Aware to try S&D for now. Those that use it hopefully read the instructions that come with the programs.Here is some info to get you started. For Now, if you really want to try it out, download the Spybot Search & Destroy program, run it, but don't fix anything just yet. After the program does its search, it will show you a window where you can obtain definitions of the different spyware installed. read them, and do a google search on a few to learn what they do.Then it is up to you to decide if you want to keep that spyware on your system or not.Cexx is the best resource for learning about spyware, IMHO. Start there:Go Here:http://www.cexx.org/problem.htmThen Go Here:http://www.cexx.org/adware.htmRemember, you are commiting to really learning your computer and how to control what goes in and what info is allowed out. It takes time, and cannot be learned overnight.Best of Luck,JoeHere is my new sig...You Like it? :-lol :-lol.http://home.attbi.com/~sonar5/sig1.jpg.Here are Picture Galleries of My Trip out west in 2002..Gallery #1 Pima Air & Space Museum + AMARC (Boneyard) at Davis Monthan AFB, Tucson, Arizona. (over 240 Pictures)http://www.pbase.com/sonar5/pimaamarc

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Guys,Really just an addendum (and further reading) to Joe's mini-tutorial...It's amazing how may doors can be accidently left open forthese 'critters' to get in!Check this site out for some interesting facts: http://grc.com/default.htmTerry

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