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Dell 24" widescreen owners question

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This question is for those lucky people who use the Dell 24" widescreen display with FS9.I'm tempted to get this TFT after all I've read about it but I'm concerned that the very high native resolution - 1920*1200 - would kill performance on my P4 3.0 / 1Gb RAM / 9800 Pro system.Do you run FS9 at the native resolution and if so are the frame rates acceptable? Or do you run at a lower one to keep the frame rates reasonable? If you run at the native res what are your system specs?Do we need such a high resolution for FS9 and are the current range of graphics card capable of delivering acceptable results at 1920*1200?More than one question, sorry, but you can appreciate this display is a lot of money and I don't want to make an expensive mistake.OTOH, would it make sense to consider a 26" LCD TV type display with a native resolution of 1366*768 and DVI input given this is the standard for High Def broadcasts in the UK?Thanks,

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

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Ray, I just got the Dell 2405 last week and find that the FS with manhattan by Aerosoft installed it looks like your looking out the window of an aircraft. I don't see much differance with the frame rate. I don't have many games but this may get me into the games thing.ENJOYTONYP4 3.7EE1 GIG RAMEVGA 6800GT

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Hi Tony,Thanks for replying. Can you tell me what resolution you run at please? If you drop the resolution does it change the frame rates? Numbers would be helpful.That is THE fastest processor curently available isn't it? Can't afford that I'm afraid. Probably get an Athlon 4800 Dual Core.Cheers,

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

Cheadle Hulme Weather website.

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Ray,I dont have that Dell monitor, but I do run a Samsung 213T (21.3") at it's native resolution of 1600 x 1200 on A64 3500+ with a 9800 pro and I can tell you that at this resolution, I am really pushing the card past its limits. Its acceptable, but barely. With the LCD screens, you are really limited to running at it's native rsolution. Anything else looks blurry, and if you use the DVI connector as I do, it forces the res to native anyway.I was going to get an AGP X800 XL or something similar, but I have decided to bide my time and get a PCIe MB and GPU early next year.Glenn

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Ryzen 3700X, X570 Pro Wifi, 32GB 3600mhz RAM, Nvidia Titan Xp "Galactic Empire", RM750x PSU, H700 case, 2x NVMe M2 SSD, 1x SATA SSD

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Hi Glenn,That's really useful - thanks. I suspected the graphics card would have to be a real heavyweight to cope with those very high resolutions and with the Dell having an even higher native my 9800Pro is probably a non-starter.I also have FSGlobal, Ultimate Terrain (Europe) and Ground Environment which does make the ground look absoliutely brilliant but I do get the blurries at 1280*1024 on my 18" TFT so I dread to think what a higher resolutions would do to things.I'll do the same as you and build a new system towards the year end once the hardware requirements for FSX are available.BTW, you should be able to run at a lower resolution even with a DVI connection. You can't run higher of course.Finally, the resolution you posted is 4:3 but on a widescreen display (16:10)? shouldn't you be running at 1600*1000 or thereabouts?Cheers,

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

Cheadle Hulme Weather website.

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Ray,The 213T is a 4:3 monitor. After reading your post, I checked my settings and you can indeed change the res on the DVI connection. It looks terrible though, so no go there either. I have gotten kind of used the 'nice' view at 1600 x 1200 anyway! I am looking forward to the PCIe and GPU upgrade early next year. Should make a big difference.Regards,Glenn

Glenn

Ryzen 3700X, X570 Pro Wifi, 32GB 3600mhz RAM, Nvidia Titan Xp "Galactic Empire", RM750x PSU, H700 case, 2x NVMe M2 SSD, 1x SATA SSD

Hi Ray,I run the 2405 at it's default resolution of 1920x1200 driven by 2xFX7800GTX in SLI mode. It works really well for FS9, frames rates are 50 upwards using VFR Photographic Scenery, custom autogen, UK2000 airports etc. etc.George

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Hi Glenn,Ah, my mistake. Thanks for clarifying. Yes, a PCI-E card will make a big diference.Cheers,

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

Cheadle Hulme Weather website.

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Thanks George. Much as I suspected. The display requires some serious graphics muscle to run at native. Ah well, it'll have to wait until I build my new system in the winter.The view must be superb at that resolution and size.Thanks,

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

Cheadle Hulme Weather website.

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>The display requires some>serious graphics muscle to run at native.I'm not sure it does Ray. On my other system I run two Dell 1907FP 19" Digital flat panels in Horizontal span mode at 2560x1024 32bit, using an FX6800 Ultra. FS9 runs great on that system also.GeorgeDell Precision Workstation 650 manufactured 2002Intel Xeon 3.06GHz FSB 4x133MHz (532MHz data rate)1024Mb DDR-SDRAM 2x133MHz (266MHz data rate)Gainward FX6800 Ultra GS 256Mb DDRam Core clock 430MHz Memory clock 1200MHz AGP 8x, Driver 71.842x Dell 1907FP 19" Digital flat panel (Horizontal span 2560x1024 32bit) Creative Audigy 2 ZS PCI audio card80Gb 7200 IDE System120Gb 7200 IDE Data74Gb 10K SATA (via a PCI SATA card) FS9 74Gb 10K SATA (via a PCI SATA card) VFR, All UK 2000 airports and other add-on Scenery500Gb Firewire Backup (Shared with Xeon)Samsung CDRW/DVD readerRicoh DVD+RW writerWindows 2000 Professional Asus A8N32-SLI DeluxeAMD 64X2 4800+ S939 1MB (2.4)Corsair Tx PRO 2GB PC35002 x XFX GeForce 7800GTX 512mb Extreme XXX Edition in SLI mode, Driver 84.56 24 DELL WIDE TFT 2405FPW (1920x1200 32bit)Trust USB sound system2 x 74Gb WD SATA 10K Raptor (Content as per Xeon but driven from the motherboard)2 x 250Gb WD SATASamsung DVD ROMSamsung Dual layer DVD-RWWindows XP Pro SP2ADSL Router connecting both systems.

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Hi George,Interesting. However, I suspect that the FX6800 Ultra is more powerful than my 128Mb 9800Pro so I need to tread with care. It would be a humungous mistake to buy the Dell and only then find out I needed to buy a more powerful AGP card which could be difficult given everything is moving towards PCi-E.I'm not sure how much more powerful the Xeon is over my P4 3.0.If you have time could you post some frame rates sitting on Rwy 36 at Meigs with 2560*1024 and then 1280*1024 on a single display - thanks.Cheers,

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

Cheadle Hulme Weather website.

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Hi Ray!I actually thought you already had one of these. Oh well...I got one last fall and it changes the whole experience of FS9. The immersion factor triples.I did end up buying a new video card -- went from my ati 9800 to the x850. I run the program at the native resolution.Your mouth will drop...as are the prices on this monitor these days.Good luck.Ed Lin, D.O.S.

No problem Ray, please note that the video drivers I am using do not allow running in FS full-screen mode. These shots were taken in windowed mode.Georgefsscr136.jpgfsscr131.jpgfsscr133.jpgfsscr134.jpgfsscr135.jpg

For comparison here are a couple of shots from the 2405.GeorgeD241.jpgD242.jpg

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Hi George,I'm back after watching England draw with Sweden in the World Cup.Thanks very much for posting those shots. It's past my bedtime but I'll come back tomorrow and discuss further.Thanks!

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

Cheadle Hulme Weather website.

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